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7/10
This is no middle ground in this episode.
kfo949427 June 2013
This is one of those episodes that a viewer is going to really like or absolutely despise. There is not much middle ground to this show since a viewer really does not know how to take this show. Was it a drama or an all out comedy? It was very hard to decide.

The story was good but it really came down to the actors in the story. The young people made the show entertaining but one actor seemed to overplay his part. Now, I am a fan of Harry Morgan but in this show Harry Morgan's push way too far to make his character unrealistically funny. Instead his character came across as Rip Van Winkle on speed- which in turn made the show almost unbearable. But if you overlook Morgan's acting the show really is a nice story about love in the old west. And anytime love is found it is hard to be negative about the outcome.
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6/10
Not that bad...consider the era
uber_geek27 August 2011
Yes in our modern age this story is totally unbelievable as is the musical Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, which this was obviously taken from.

But neither is it realistic (as portrayed in many period westerns) that prostitutes in a saloon were all young, pretty things that some guy would rescue and marry. Most were older, homely and poor, without family to care for them. They were often alcoholics or drug addicts, not unlike today, abused by men, carrying diseases and selling their bodies to pay for a flop house bed or another drink. But who's going to watch a series that shows that? So some of you need to lighten up. Back when this show first aired, girls weren't as jaded as today and still believed that a prince might show up and take them away. So I'm not really surprised that this episode was popular back then, although the tale seems unrealistic and corny now. Also, keep in mind with the makeup and the sets, the age of digital TV has spoiled the illusion.

This was an okay, light-hearten romp, although having Amanda Blake gone really makes the show moot. What's the point when there's no flirtation between Matt and Kitty?
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8/10
A Light Episode was Necessary
spenser-4356313 February 2022
This episode was a lot better then we would have thought - and Fran Ryan is very good in her debut. Although the ep was a bit goofy - it was necessary after the first 5 eps were fairly bleak.
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9/10
Some one for almost everyone
withersa20 September 2006
This was a more light hearted episode than Gunsmoke usually has. I think this one was for Fran. Since Amanda Blake had left the show & she stepped in to own the Longbranch, perhaps it was to show us her strengths and to put her in the limelight. It moved too fast for me. I realize that in those days it wasn't every day that a saloon girl got a man to ask her to marry him, but this was a pretty quick love affair for all 3 women to fall in love. Perhaps they thought this was their one big chance to get married, but it did not come off that way, just that they all fell head over heels in love in a matter of a couple of days. Harry Morgan could always pull off a serious guy or a real doofus. It also took the whole idea of Gunsmoke away.
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9/10
You Could Critique These Reviews More Than You Could Critique The Episode
richardfuller-929734 March 2020
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Obviously a knock-off of Seven Brides For Seven Brothers, a light-hearted one at that. The biggest gripe surely must be the sons and the saloon girls were not as isolated as the Pottipee brothers and their brides in 7B47B, who were snowed in, in the mountains, so everyone must be thinking the farm is oh, just on the outskirts of town, down passed the Dollar General. The insinuation was supposed to be they were a bit further out, but still not as closed off and distant. Yet we have to think again, and this will be difficult for people today to comprehend, THERE WERE NO PHONES! Even if the girls had started walking back to town, it could be quite the hike for them to make and who knows if they would make it safely back or not. The roads weren't paved, nor were they patrolled. A bear or a mountain lion or a wolf could just as easily turn up to greet them. Main thing I have always taken from this episode is the three brides were saloon girls. Being married to a 'devoted man whose heart she has captured' was better than contending with drunkards in the saloon. School was not an option for them, so really all they had to look for was marriage and these guys were supposed to be as good as any. John Reilly as the totally disagreeable son who didn't want his bride was actually very amusing, and Karen Grassle handled the spurned bride rather well, too. And as for it being Fran Ryan's first episode to air after Amanda Blake left, Ryan had more than proven herself on Green Acres, having to take over there after the passing of the first Mrs. Ziffel. No, she wasn't a 'stunning' beauty like Blake, but Blake was over forty by this time. She wasn't getting any younger. As other shows have done, all efforts to let the show go out quietly are resisted by the studio, who probably insisted Miss Kitty be recast with Ryan, instead of a younger miss. The show was already running on empty with countless episodes like this one, sporting guest stars galore, leaving me often wondering, where's Matt? Festus? Doc? As for the sons and brides being recast in the 'sequel' it was only Karen Grassle and John Reilly who didn't return. The episode might have been able to handle Grassle not returning, but recasting John Reilly with David Soul just wasn't the same at all. The other two brothers and their brides were the same performers. But I don't know if people nowadays think they are holding the mindset of this episode and its neanderthalism up against today's intellect of consideration or whatever we think we have today. Chalk this mentality up to Stockholm syndrome; where the ones kidnapped develop feelings for their abductors. Same thing we've had even in our times with Elizabeth Smart (which that seems to be a situation that insists on continuing a bit longer than it should), or even Steven Stayner, who never fled his abuser. You're a young woman, working in a saloon, no family, no idea what women's rights might be and here comes the Brawny paper towel man to take you away to his farm. And they only had one hour to delve into a 'happy ending' for the couples. It was tv. Not a lesson anyone was being given back then on how to live life.
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1/10
WHY?
wdavidreynolds1 November 2021
Jed Hockett and his three sons are newcomers to the Dodge City area and have settled on a farm in the hill country nearby. None of the men are married, but they intend to remedy that situation as soon as possible.

A woman named Hannah Cobb is the new owner of the Long Branch Saloon. Miss Hannah is quickly learning that managing a saloon in Dodge City is quite a challenge.

Jed sends his sons to Dodge with orders to find wives. They visit the Long Branch and set their sights on three of the women working there. After the boys get into a brawl -- adding to Hannah's frustration -- Matt Dillon threatens to jail them.

Later that night, the boys return to the Long Branch, break in, abduct the three women plus Hannah, and take them back to the farm. The women naturally resent their captivity at first, but a bit of Stockholm syndrome sets in as the three saloon workers - Fran, Emily, and Sarah - begin to fall in love with their captors.

Fran Ryan makes her first Gunsmoke appearance as new Long Branch owner Hannah Cobb replacing Amanda Russell's Kitty Russell character. There is some precedent for Ryan replacing a character in a series. Ryan had replaced actress Barbara Pepper as the character Doris Ziffel in the series Green Acres after Pepper's health forced her to leave the show. Ryan had appeared in the Gunsmoke Season 17 episode "The Wedding" in a different, smaller role. She played Hannah in five episodes of the series and one of the Gunsmoke movies.

(It is my opinion the omission of any satisfying explanation about the departure of the Kitty Russell character from Dodge City is a tremendous failing of the producers and writers. With the exception of this episode and its dreadful sequel, the Hannah Cobb character was relegated to a minor role on Gunsmoke.)

Harry Morgan, wearing a big, bushy, obviously fake beard, portrays Jed Hockett in one of the more puzzling (and terrible) performances of his extensive and generally stellar career. For some reason (director's instructions? Morgan's choice?), Morgan's character nearly shouts or screams almost every line. The character is supposed to be passionate and spirited, but the performance is simply annoying and obnoxious.

John Reilly, Herman Poppe, and Dennis Redfield play the Hockett sons, Ike, Luke, and Shep. Reilly had appeared late in Season 19's "Ride a Yeller Horse." Poppe had also appeared once previously in Season 16's "The Tycoon." He played the same sort of silly character in all his Gunsmoke appearances. Redfield is another actor that had made one previous appearance. He was the Lem Rawlins character in Season 19's finale, "The Disciple."

Karen Grassle, Linda Sublette, and Michele Marsh play the three women who are abducted by the Hocketts. Grassle, who would soon begin playing Caroline Ingalls in Little House on the Prairie, makes her single Gunsmoke appearance here. This is Sublette's first Gunsmoke role. She would return later in the season in the sequel episode to this story, "Brides and Grooms." Sublette's acting career only lasted about four years and included few roles. Like Sublette, Michele Marsh makes her Gunsmoke debut with this episode, and she would return for the sequel episode. Her acting career was considerably more extensive than Sublette's, however.

Most of this story takes place on the Hockett farm, although there are some early scenes set in the Long Branch Saloon. Frequent viewers will be accustomed to episodes where the major Gunsmoke characters have minor roles in the story. James Arness has more screen time than Ken Curtis and Milburn Stone, but even his role in the story is minor with negligible impact.

Writer Earl W. Wallace was involved in providing stories, scripts, and teleplays in a few episodes later in the run of the series. He provided one story ("Trail of Bloodshed") late in Season 19, and six in Season 20. He obviously intended this episode to be a lighthearted love story. Unfortunately, it is so lighthearted it becomes inconsequential. There is no reason for the viewer to be invested in any of the characters, as they are all throw-away caricatures, as opposed to being real people with any substance or depth. Once the story moves to the Hockett farm, too much time is devoted to sappy dialogue.

Additionally, the entire premise of men abducting women and forcing them to work in the hopes of somehow wooing them into marriage is abhorrent and offensive. This episode first aired in 1974, but even during that now-distant time it is surprising to think anyone thought this story was worthy of being produced.

In Season 7, there is an episode titled "Marry Me" where a young mountain man named Orthy Cathcart abducts Kitty Russell and intends to force Kitty to marry him under similar circumstances. That episode is a much better treatment of similar subject matter. Unlike the Hockett men who act out of sheer stupidity, Orky acts out of ignorance of acceptable social norms, but that does not make his actions acceptable.

This is the second episode directed by familiar character actor Victor French. He had previously directed the first, far superior episode of Season 20, "Matt Dillon Must Die."

An even more head-scratching aspect to this story is that someone decided it warranted a sequel, which - amazingly - is even worse. John Reilly and Karen Grassle are replaced with David Soul and Amanda McBroom in the second story. (Reilly and Grassle probably wanted no part of the sequel after seeing the results of the first episode.)

"The Wiving" is as bad as Gunsmoke gets, with the possible exception of the awful sequel.
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10/10
best episode
seasun-6793230 December 2021
This is my very favorite story ever on Gunsmoke. It was funny and romantic. So much shooting and killing going on all the time. It was just refreshing to have something else for once.
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1/10
635th Best Episode Of The Series
markthurman-4422830 October 2021
The Gunsmoke TV series had 635 episodes.

One of those episodes had to be the 635th best.

This is it.

Trust me.

I gave this episode one star because zero stars was not an option.

And to the reviewer who thinks that Karen Grassle is not beautiful, please get an eye exam.
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9/10
Gets better with repeated airings
smithbea20 May 2021
Warning: Spoilers
This fun ep is about three young men who kidnap 3 saloon girls from the Longbranch to be their wives. The former live on a farm on I guess the outskirts of town. Thanks to the sequel ep to this one the episode actually has fine credibility because we actually see the farm again. The clothes the guest characters wear look authentic to the last quarter of the 19th century as well

Some comments about comments. Karen Grassle is not quite beautiful. The other two women (one being Michelle Marsh who turns in a brilliant performance as well) are a good deal more attractive and incredible. Nothing at all wrong with saloon girls being attractive as there are no really homely women.

The poster who said that Grassle as Fran was replaceable in the sequel ep was indeed right. She is kinda ridiculed and a joke in this ep being seen out cold(?) and the dirty soles of her feet prominent. Her character is for laughs and she does badly with the role in other ways like when she laughs at the saloon. (Probably got teased forever for that scene I just described!) She got in one Gunsmoke ep but as she did really bad (and since Little House co-star Victor French directed this ep and the continuing one) she apparently was correctly rejected for a second. A blow to her career. The fine actor who played Ike, the son-then-turned-lover of her, probably could not make it back to the show again for time schedule reasons (and thus he was replaced by David Soul in the sequel ep).

PS No problem(contrary to previous poster) with the three attractive women falling in love in this fast. Hannah tells Matt she never saw so much romance happen so quickly!
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1/10
McKee could spend a whole chapter tearing apart this script...
grizzledgeezer4 June 2015
"The Wiving" is probably //the worst// "Gunsmoke" episode. It is //so// bad -- worse than worst -- that it blots out the memory of other bad episodes.

//Why// it's so bad can't be explained in a few words. Someone would have to pay a lot of money for me to sit down and explain it in detail, because doing so would be a major project. And I'm not going to do it for free. The following précis will have to do.

Suffice it to say that it's terrible story telling. Stories are about //people//. And if you don't establish who the people are -- that is, what they want, why they want it, and how they intend to get it -- you have no story, because you have no basis for plausible character interaction.

"The Wiving" starts as a simple farce, with crazy farm boys kidnapping saloon girls to become their wives. The writer seems to assume that putting attractive young people together will automatically result in them pairing off into happy relationships. He doesn't recognize that it doesn't work that way in real life. Even if he did, he doesn't have the patience to do the hard work of figuring out how the dynamic of kidnappers/victims can be developed into a compelling drama. (As a comedy, it would probably be offensive. Unless you're Billy Wilder.)

Had this material been treated seriously, over two episodes, it might have been one of the best "Gunsmoke" stories. As it is, it's a dramatically lazy mess from beginning to end.

PS: "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" is based on a Stephen Vincent Benét story, "The Sobbin' Women". ("Sobbin'" is a pun on "Sabine".) The brothers all have first names beginning with H.
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9/10
Abduction of the Sabine women revisited
talonjensen7 March 2020
When this came out I had just graduated high school and it was already a little politically incorrect. Now, in 2020, it would never be made unless it was some type of porn video.

When I was a preteen I watched Seven Brides for Seven Brothers (1954) on TV and really liked it. So, I liked this version of the story. Later on I found it was based on the story set soon after Rome's founding of the Kidnapping/Abduction of the Sabine Women.

I think it is well done and I enjoyed it, after they arrive at the ranch, the father is surprised to find his sons kidnapped the women and has to "think on it". They aren't sent back immediately, but are courted by the men, the women eventually decide being married and living on the farm just might be better than being a dance hall girl. I did enjoy the characterizations showing very different women and very different men and wondering where the attractions would occur. There is much more to it than this, but I don't want to give away too much.

If the viewer focuses on the usually misleading idea that abducted women will come to like their abductors, then you will hate this show. It does happen in real life, but it is rare and not politically correct. Certainly never as benign as represented in this show.
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Could be a take-off
LibFeathers12 March 2010
In response to the previous reviews, I always saw this episode as a take-off on the 50's musical, "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers". They just shortened it to four (including the father) for the sake of an hour-long episode.

"Seven Brides" was based on an ancient Roman story called "The Rape of the Sabine Women", which I think was written by Plutarch or Livy or one of those people. So perhaps the writers were simply trying to expose the viewers to some classic literature. Or at least to a classic musical. Or maybe by the 20th season of Gunsmoke, they were just running out of ideas. LOL.
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3/10
This just ain't right
martinxperry-1486822 June 2018
Even with the versitle Harry Morgan doing his best, this is likely the hardest show of the entire series to watch. This is after Amanda Blake departed, and the new female lead just does not come close to filling the void. As for the story of kidnapping four women to make them brides seems to rush to the end. So much happens in a single overnight visit, that it simply is too much to swallow. To be honest, this episode is one of the worst written I have ever seen. It is more like "Gilligan's Island" than a Gunsmoke episode.
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1/10
Jaw-Droppingly Offensive
theatertalk30 October 2021
This episode certainly does not jive with modern sensibilities. Kidnapping, physical assault, bullying and forcing domestic labor on females are hardly lighthearted fare. How sad that even as recently as 1974, they were considered a source of comedy.

This is an insulting, insensitive take on the plight of women, and it does no justice to the brutal entitled behavior of the men either.

Now, in 2021, when we still have the enslavement of women all over the world, including women essentially prisoners off fundamentalists, it is sad that this episode, indicating that women welcome this kind bondage, is still on the on American television.

Shame on all who created it and those who still make it available.
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1/10
Worst episode so far!
daveiulee30 October 2021
What was this? Kidnapping = ok?

Comedy or drama?

Just terrible writing! How did this air on tv on 1974?

I hope re rest of season 20 is better? Or I see why it was canceled.
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3/10
Just Bad
Bronco468 February 2011
I haven't seen them all, but I'm betting this is one of the worst episodes of Gunsmoke! A close second would be the "Brides and Grooms" also a Gunsmoke episode. Both these turkey's had the same characters but most were played by different actors. Both story lines were very week, the parts were poorly written as well. This left little for the actors to do with these silly characters. Jim Backus and Harry Morgan's characters have facial hair and is some of the worse make up I've seen in a series of this quality. I've seen better beards in high school plays. This was a compete was of time. Really good actors like Jim Backus and Harry Morgan are completely wasted on this weak episode. Perhaps because it was nearing the end of the run of great TV series they started having trouble getting good scripts.
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1/10
Alien invasion
Bartlegeuse28 August 2008
That's the only explanation I can give for this episode. Pods must have been placed in the bedroom of the writer, and when he awakened like "new," he wrote The Wiving.

It's not so much that it's awful--fans of the show appreciate the excellence of so many other episodes. But can you imagine someone being told to watch Gunsmoke (It's a classic Western!) and then stumbling across this travesty? And it's not funny. If it were the least bit amusing, it could stand on its characterization of three goofball sons and their insipid fiancees. There's almost always some humor in Gunsmoke: Festus is entertaining, and Doc is clever. Hey, I like a good laugh as much as the next guy. Maybe more than the next guy, if that next guy wrote this episode. Did I mention it wasn't funny?

Be warned. I could say be forewarned, but what other kind is there?
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1/10
One of the worst!
donaldkevindamron8 January 2021
This is a terrible episode. I have only seen one other episode that I would say is worse. That would be part two of this episode called, Brides and Grooms.
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3/10
Creepy, Unkempt, and Uncomfortable Viewing
glennstenb1 December 2023
I was appalled to witness this disturbing mess of an installment of the revered Gunsmoke western series. The only thing really praiseworthy is the beautiful color and vibrancy of the photography, which for me is something I don't really want anyway. I always felt that Gunsmoke was superior to its competitor Bonanza, in part because Gunsmoke didn't have that glossy, polished, fake veneer that Bonanza so strongly had. Beyond that, the constant, busy, overly grandiose, and obviously manipulative music runs as a constant through this episode and becomes irritatingly obnoxious.

But the worst aspect of "The Wiving" episode is what all the other detractors have pointed out, so I won't reiterate those items.other than to clearly mention that an additional demerit for this episode is that the show's regular characters are essentially no shows, or at least yes shows for only a minute or two at best (Dillon, Doc, Newly, Festus, and of course Kitty, who had departed).

Although the four backward mountain men are revealed along the way to not be the rotten idiots we are introduced to, the episode nonetheless just feels disquieting, creepy, unkempt, and uncomfortable. Quite the entertaining train wreck viewing experience I must say.
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5/10
A bit comical and that is it.
cpolster3 May 2022
While most hated this episode I wonder if Miss Kitty, Amanda Blake, had been it this what the reviews would have said. While far from my favorite, it is a big change of pace from the start of Gunsmoke.

At this time period tv westerns were on the decline. I watched this a total of 4 times and still have good and bad to say bout it. I was surprised to see Victor French directed this episode.

Watching Harry Morgan in his actions when talking and yelling it reminds me of a few Mash episodes he was in. The three girls to be married are attractive and that is a plus. At the best it has a few comical scenes. The outcome becomes predictable near the end. It is not a normal Gunsmoke episode do not expect much in the Gunsmoke story lines of the past.
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