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6/10
A mediocre short film, another one of divine power, both featuring a wonderful performance
StevePulaski22 February 2013
For Ellen feels like the combination of two short films, both roughly thirty minutes in length, that were each injected with fifteen minutes of filler. The first short film (or act), running more-or-less forty-five minutes long, tells the story of Joby Taylor (Paul Dano), the lead singer of a second-rate rock band, battling for a divorce suit with his wife out of court. This leads to multiple mental breakdowns of Joby, many lawyer meetings discussing settlements and entitlements, and long shots focusing on Joby's often sulky, bitter face in close-up. It's long and tedious. The second short film is predominately centered on Joby and his six-year-old daughter Ellen (Shaylena Mandigo), who he learns he'll lose entire custody of if he signs the current settlement at hand. He takes her out for a few hours, awkwardly asking her about her likes and dislikes, and simply trying to get to know her personally, before he potentially cuts off any and all communication with her. It's sensitive, extremely well-done material.

Paul Dano is a serious and convincing screen presence, considering his age and how actors usually mature with time. Dano hit the ground running with his first major performance as Dwayne in Little Miss Sunshine, a teenager who decided to take a vow of silence until becoming a pilot and then discovered devastating news. His roles have treaded the line of bravery, assuming the role of either a conflicted rocker, a trouble but optimistic teen, and even the bold voice of reason. His Joby here is, in his own way, an anti-hero; we're not very fond of him because of his "deadbeat dad" status, yet we can see his act of reconnecting with his child as an audacious and daring one. Since he is one of the only characters we meet and focus on during the film, a lion's weight of its quality rests on his shoulders. His performance is often a roller-coaster of emotions for the viewer, however, what somewhat waters its quality is the writing, which is ponderous, vague, and largely forced impressionism.

For Ellen falls into the category of an indie film that is smart for not trying to do too much, yet kind of dumb for not doing enough. It plays everything too safe. The long close-ups of Dano, many of them unsteady, wobbly, and victim to a shaky camera, try to provide us with sentimentality and intimacy during traditional scenes which a film like this doesn't really need then. The scenes with Joby and Ellen are much more structured and stable, in terms of camera angles, yet if there's any time they should be unsteady and rather imperfect, it should be then; not at the beginning of the film, when the story is brewing and characters are being born.

The father-daughter dialog between our title character and her father is simply remarkable. So remarkable I wish I could seriously recommend watching the film from the forty-five minute mark till the end. If there's one film that at least gets props for doing one thing completely right and beautifully poetic, it's the naturalistic dialog between Joby and Ellen. It's all about the incoherency and the small details during these sequences. Take note of how many times Joby says "um," or "like," or stutters when asking her a simple question. He doesn't know what to say and what not say. Would you? Could you have a solid conversation with your six-year-old daughter when you never see her and barely know anything about her beyond her fast name? It'd be horrifying and depressing for the both of you. Writer/director So Yong Kim realizes this and completely amplifies what could've been a contrived, tiresome addition to an already plot less film.

Now if only this one small detail or something like it could make the first act work as powerfully well as the second one, we'd have a stronger, more complete picture on our hands. If there's one other thing that bothers me about For Ellen, though, it's the "make it up" ending it attaches on there as a means to informally end the film with the idea of you, the viewer, can decide how the story of the characters will continue after these checkered events.

It's a pity I can't, technically, recommend the entire film. Say this was actually two short films combined into one. The first one would get two stars for being overlong, dry, and rather aimless. The second one would get three and a half stars for being naturalistic, believable, and entirely realistic. By combining them you get two and a half stars. That's about right in my book.

Starring: Paul Dano, Jon Heder, and Shaylena Mandigo. Directed by: So Yong Kim.
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5/10
A study in closeups where nothing happens
jordan22402 September 2015
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Caught this while flipping through premium channels one afternoon. Dano usually plays the same character, so I was anxious to see if he'd do something different here. He doesn't. I missed about the first 20 minutes of the film, so no idea if anything happened then, but I can assure you nothing happens after. I got rather frustrated waiting for something of interest. In the toy store scene with the little girl, you'll see one of the most painfully slow scenes in the history of cinema. I guess it was rather realistic, but realism can be painful. Dano's character in 'Little Miss Sunshine' is a younger version of his character in this film, but much more volatile and interesting to watch. Perhaps this is a 'thinking man's' movie and I'm just not smart enough for it. I will say that some of the cinematography, particularly with wide shots, was quite well done at least.
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6/10
Rather static and arid, but above average thanks to Dano's performance
BeneCumb20 October 2013
Paul Dano is one of my favorite younger character actors and I have decided to watch all movies with his presence - luckily, it is not impossible as he is selective in taking roles... I like his versatility as well as courage to accept roles not arousing compassion or expanding fame.

Joby Taylor is a de facto loser with personal and self-assertion issues without any ideas how to solve the status quo, thus, the pace is slow (often protracted) and events depicted are trivial, amplified by gloomy winter weather and interiors. Dano is constantly on screen, often alone, so the script is more suitable for a stage. Topics like children custody and personal coping are touchy, but it is still not enough for even an independent movie. As for the ending, I got ambivalent feelings as well.

To sum up, not bad ideas and splendid starring, but too bleary and daily grind.
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6/10
Paul Dano -istic
SnoopyStyle24 August 2013
Joby Taylor (Paul Dano) is a failed musician who just got divorced. He is estranged from his ex and his daughter. Essentially he is a complete mess. He needs to work out custody of his girl Ellen (Shaylena Mandigo) and in the process hopefully reconnect with her.

Paul Dano is able to play this part well. However I think it took too long to get to the girl. It felt repetitive to see him as a loser for that long. It stagnated the film. For the film to work, it needs to get to the girl quicker. I hate to complain about a little girl's performance. But she added very little to the emotional feel. She is stone-faced thru most of her screen time. Although it could be argued that it is called for, it's hard to act back and forth without 1 side participating.
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6/10
A poignant and sad movie
bob-790-1960186 November 2013
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As someone who detests most rock music, particularly the screaming histrionics of performers like the one played by Paul Dano in "For Ellen," I was surprised to find myself empathizing with his character, Joby Taylor. As the lead singer in a band, he may be on center stage surrounded by shouting fans, but in this movie we see him against a backdrop of ordinary suburban life, and he seems like a creature from outer space--a weird alien, cut off from the mainstream of life, a stranger in a strange land.

It is clear almost from the start that Joby has been reckless, self-centered, and irresponsible. This is driven home like the impact of a judge's gavel when, late in the film, his little daughter Ellen--custody of whom Joby has loudly refused to relinquish to his wife in their divorce negotiations--simply asks, "Why didn't you come to see me?" Father and daughter have a precious two hours together at a local mall, and then it is time for him to leave her with her mother. But he returns to the house and sneaks in through the window in order to ask Ellen what she thinks of him. To the end, it is his own self that he is focused on. When she answers that he seems like a nice person, I waited for him at least to say that he liked her too--but he never did.

The movie does manage to satirize ordinary middle class life through its portrayal of the young lawyer Fred Butler, played by Jon Heder. This sad sack, who still lives with Mom, seems downright goofy next to the "cool" Joby Taylor--to use Joby's term for just about anything that requires his approval. But in being so cool, Joby has lost out on any of the good that comes with ordinary "un-cool" life.

Paul Dano's performance is outstanding in this film. The director, So Young Kim, lets the camera linger a little too long on bleak landscapes and nearly deserted highways, but her long closeups of Joby Taylor's face are effective, thanks to Paul Dano.

The very final sequence is something of a cop-out. Even before we see where it is leading, I knew that it would be a replay of the final sequence in "Five Easy Pieces." And that explains why I have tagged this review with a Spoiler Alert.
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2/10
Is no one going to talk about how the ending is totally ripped off from Five Easy Pieces?
johnpmoseley25 August 2021
Why would you do that? Why would you filch the ending from an all-time classic when it doesn't even make sense in your own story and it's anyway only going to underline how vastly inferior your film is?

It's strangely maddening to me. But at least, at the end of a hopelessly pointless film about a sad guy drifting around entirely uninterestingly, it reminds us that slice-of-life character studies like this can actually work.
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2/10
Very slow paced actually dull film
ButchieWadd26 February 2013
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I think the acting for Dano was very spot on but unfortunately it just developed his character and did not advance any storyline very well. The spoiler is that the ending was just a cop-out with the lead character leaving his car, guitar and other belongings to run away. I guess that was supposed to be symbolic of his life in general. I also will almost agree with the other reviewer who said it should have been two short films. I think one really good short film could have been edited from this one film. The fact that reviews need to be ten lines is a foolish rule that needs to be protested and spotlighted for the inane babble that it will foster in that people will write a lot of crap so that they can have their ten lines whereas I think I expressed my sentiments and thoughtful comments succinctly and concisely with just the first five lines of this review and thus I had to write this five line single sentence so that my first five lines might be read and appreciated and that this very long sentence will be admired for the lack of brevity it represents. I think that is ten now. Peace BWadd
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8/10
Not without my ...
kosmasp6 April 2012
I can see that some people don't like the movie. It is really slow paced and the main actor seems more passive than anything. But it's only the surface that looks that "boring". I think the main actor (I've seen him before in a few other features) is doing a pretty good job. And he has to, because he carries the movie on his shoulders. His drive has to be convincing (even though it's not that apparent as I said before) for the viewer.

Heder has a small role, but the character he portrays could easily be a Napoleon Dynamite offspring. Still he does have a few laughs to offer (laughs that might not sit well with some people I guess). I really like the idea and the execution, but try it, before you buy it
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8/10
Slow pace does not equal poor movie "For Ellen" is proof
mikeallen2110 August 2015
Some movies are for fun. Some movies are for adventure. Some movies are art and are actually a "film" For Ellen is art. Yes it is slow, yes it has few words and little action. This film is about emotions that do not need laughs and action to be nurtured. Dano is approaching Oscar level acting at a very young age. I can't wait to see his skills grow and deepen. This movie is sad because that is what the characters are feeling! It is powerful and emotional and really well made. I don't have much else to say except that a lot of movie goers expect to be surprised with original twist and plot turns, but are not impressed with deliberate quality. This film is deliberate and delivers quality.
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8/10
For Ellen
xpositivebenx22 February 2013
I am pretty sure that a lot of people will not like this film due to the slow pace but it's most definitely worth a watch. Paul Dano the main actor has done a great job in his career and this is no exception, he carries this film all the way through and although he plays a very passive role you have to look a little beyond this to realise it.

A fantastic film from So Yong Kim and the cast. This was visually effective too. One scene that stood out for me was the bar scene (not going into any details for people reading this). Definitely a high rated film and executed well.

Make sure you give this film a view.
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10/10
for ellen
griz9012315 February 2012
I was intrigued most of the movie,,Just wondering when something was going to give this movies a spark. I am a big fan of So Yong Kim,,Then all of a sudden pops in Ellen (shaylena mandigo)....Movie saver bigtime....This little girl is going to have a big future ahead of her,,,Excellent film ,,,My hats off to So and the cast,,,,Paul Dano and John Heder work very well together in this movie..The music in the bar scene and the toy store scene were my favorite parts,,,Watching Paul and Shaylena work together as an adult child team was excellent....Overall I was extremely impressed with the movie and look forward to more of So Yong Kims work,,,I would rate For Ellen her best movie yet followed by Treeless Mountain,,,,She is an inspiration to all.
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8/10
Empathy needed
knvixen29 March 2022
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I taught in secondary schools (11-18) for 17 years, and use my experience of meeting a few thousand students and parents to try to understand people and their actions. As a lifelong goth myself, I know how those who don't follow the mainstream can be typecast negatively. Judging someone of any age requires making assumptions about their character without knowing any of their previous experiences, and they are what shape our actions. We are all the outcome of the events of our lives thus far, with reactions also dictated by genetic predispositions, so I don't agree that Joby is just a loser, or that that being a lawyer makes that character a success when he still lives with his mother. The time that Joby spends with Ellen had me close to tears. I felt it was depicted perfectly. Both characters are unsure of each other and what is expected during this time, so the hesitance in conversation is natural. Being the adult puts responsibility on Joby for which he is entirely unprepared. The crucial moment is the brief time during which he thinks Ellen has disappeared. Paul Dano's acting here is perfect and he conveys the full weight of a parent's horror in this situation so convincingly that I could feel the dread in the pit of my stomach. It is that which causes him to behave as he does at the end. That moment tells him how he would feel if he lost his daughter forever, and that is why I think he is going to change his life in order to be a parent to her. Living with that loss is something he can't face, as every loving parent knows. I completely understand how this film might seem too long or boring; for me, the time before he meets Ellen just sets us up to know how massive a change he undergoes, and that's why I rate For Ellen quite highly. People don't change unless something enormous happens to cause them to do so, and contemplating the loss of his child is enough impetus to halt and reverse his decline, abandoning property and a girlfriend that mean nothing compared to the importance of his daughter in his life.
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8/10
Very sad, yet very beautiful.
becky-923467 March 2022
For Ellen (2012) follows a musician who neglected his personal life to follow his dream, who then ends up in a fight with his ex-wife for custody of his young daughter. This film was beautiful, and although slow, I was constantly engaged due to Paul Dano's flawless and heartbreaking performance.

This film is an intimate portrait of a man with no idea what he wants in his life, who feels truly hopeless. The protagonist (Joby) is deeply flawed but I still felt sorry for him. Paul Dano was incredibly and this film really shows his range. All the acting was very good, and I loved the interactions between Joby and his daughter as they started off very awkward but you could tell he was trying his best. The dialogue was strong as well and kept me invested.

The pacing was slow and steady, with a very mellow tone that made the film genuinely sad. It also felt brutally realistic and I'm sure will resonate with a lot of people. The ending feels refreshing whist also being melancholic and leaves a lot up to the audience's interpretation.

The themes were very strong and were a big part of what made this film so heavy and impactful for me. It really shows the negative elements of the music industry too, and how it doesn't leave time for family.

Lastly, the cinematography and visuals were quite simplistic but this worked well. The setting felt isolated, and added to the sadness and hopelessness the main character experiences. There were a lot of great long, slow shots that invoked a lot of emotional for me personally.
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10/10
Joby Decides It Is For The Best
pipp-3637122 January 2023
The scenes with Ellen and Joby getting to know one another are tender and heart breaking. I wanted more interactions between Joby and Ellen but the brevity was very powerful. The actress who plays Ellen seemed thoughtfully wise beyond her years. For example she initially want to tell her Dad about Abigail or something very important about her mom that Joby didn't know.

I enjoyed the very deliberate toy store scene with Joby and Ellen where much was unspoken. The silence and slowness contrasted with the fact joby only had a short time left to be with her.

Paul Dano gives a subtle peformance as a somewhat immature young man who hasn't found out what really is important in his life -ie. His wife and daughter. It's amazing to think Paul Dano did this film many years before he had his own children and became a dad himself.

The ending was bittersweet and stayed with me. I liked Ellen playing music for Joby and the promise of her musical talents. A beautiful quiet movie.
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