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Season Five
zkonedog7 July 2019
Warning: Spoilers
The Fifth Season of LOST was the first one I watched live from beginning to end. It is also the most intricately plotted season of the show, and really branches it off into entirely new dimensions (almost quite literally!). Those two things did not mesh well upon my first go-round with the season (spring of 2009). When having to wait week-to-week for each episode, and then being promised seemingly "all the answers" by the ABC promos each week, I always considered S5 to be perhaps the weakest season of the bunch. During my recent re-watch of the show, however, this actually became the season I was most wrong about. Season Five might just be the best of them all.

What needs to be understood about LOST is this: Seasons 1-3 are basically a separate show from what succeeds it. That portion of the series is mostly about a group of plane-crash survivors trying to get off an island and back to civilization. Sure, the island itself is full of mystery, but the driving force behind everything is a desire to be rescued. Season Four starts to change that narrative (and I would argue does so a bit erratically), and Season Five cements it in place. By this point, the show is no longer primarily a survival drama (even though it still is top-notch at handling its large ensemble cast). Now, it is a full-blown science fiction romp, complete with time paradoxes, body-swapping, and multiple timelines. I know a number of people who sort of melted away from watching the show during this season, and I strongly believe this change to be the reason why. For me, the change was incredibly exciting (and I'll argue also necessary to avoid stagnation) and stretched the show in ways it hadn't even attempted before.

I won't go into any major spoilers here, but Season Five deals in many different time periods. In the first few episodes, those left behind on the island find themselves skipping through time (thanks to Ben's turning of the wheel), while those in Los Angeles struggle to decide if heading back to the island is the correct decision to make. Once everything shakes out in those two scenarios, it is an absolutely brilliant idea to show the inner workings of the DHARMA Initiative by actually placing some of the castaways within it! All the scraps about DHARMA that viewers had been given in seasons 1-3 are able to be seen first-hand, and it is wonderful. The finale episode? Perhaps the best in show history, resolving both the DHARMA goings-on and completely blowing the doors wide open by introducing the mysterious, oft-mentioned Jacob and the equally enigmatic "Man in Black".

Not since S1 has this show been able to meld character elements with perfectly-paced plot lines as it did here in S5. As exciting and mind-bending as the time aspects are, it is equally as dramatic to see our favorite characters struggle to come to terms with being scattered to the winds of time, as it were. The mid-season episode "LaFleur", for example, is every bit as emotional as S4's "The Constant" in terms of emotional character development.

One final interesting note: When show creators Damon Lindelof & Carleton Cuse were negotiating with ABC for an end date to the show, they originally said five seasons. ABC countered with something like 8, and they eventually settled on six. That original "five seasons" proposal makes a lot of sense to me now, as to be totally honest I think that seasons 4 and 5 of this show could honestly have been combined to make one "super-season". In a number of cases, I felt like similar material was being covered, and I truly believe that S5 did it in a better fashion. Not saying that S4 is poor by any means, but I think some of its inconsistencies are smoothed out by the storytelling here.

Overall, then, S5 may be my favorite season of this entire show (with Season 1 being its main challenger). Both seasons are similar in the sense that all their aspects are woven so perfectly together. Whereas seasons 2-4 charge here and there full-bore into many different angles, seasons 1 & 5 are a bit more masterfully created (episode-by-episode) to hold up on even that micro-level. As long as you can accept that by this point LOST is no longer "Jack leading a group of survivors" and are willing to open yourself up to new storytelling possibilities, this slate of episodes will almost leave you speechless.
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8/10
Bad dialogue and questionable character motivations ruin what could've been a perfect finale to the best season of the show so far (finale + season review)
thefoochie12 October 2022
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(I'm writing this review after I decided to change my rating from a 9 to an 8)

I pretty much completely agree with joshua marriott's review. My main problem with the finale was the confrontation between jack, kate, juliet and sawyer. First of all, this whole conflict is contrived from the beginning and could've been written out of the finale entirely. Kate's reasoning for having to stop Jack is shallow and essentially boils down to, "he's got a bomb." Now, sure, even if their motivation isn't developed enough, at least it mostly makes sense. But what makes absolutely zero sense is why Kate, Sawyer and Juliet change their minds and decide to go along with Jack's plan. If they were just gonna team up with Jack in the end, what was the point in having this forced conflict?

The only thing we got out of the confrontation was a semi-enjoyable fight between sawyer and jack, and awful, melodramatic dialogue. Juliet changes her mind and decides to side with Jack because she suspects that Sawyer still loves Kate, which is a pathetic excuse for the writers to get the MC's to join together. Jack's motivation is of course all about Kate, too. Ugh. I like Kate, don't get me wrong, but it annoys me that Juliet and Jack's entire motivation for wanting to blow up the island revolve around her.

Even though this whole sequence was bad, it actually didn't ruin the episode that much. It doesn't affect the story at all, since everyone goes through with Jack's plan anyway, so it's pretty much pointless. I'm mainly just mad that it took up so much screentime. They could've easily made the Jacob sequence longer and scrapped this whole scene. I'm only dropping my score by 1 since the narrative continued to be strong.

Speaking of the Jacob scene, I liked it for the most part, although I agree with what the 4 star review says. Jacob's response to Ben's emotional monologue should have been better than just "what about you lol". Still, this scene was great, it just could've been a bit better. I really loved the reveal that the real locke was still dead though, that was absolutely brilliant.

The climax of the episode was also great. When the incident finally happened, it was even crazier than I expected. Juliet and Sawyer's final scene was extremely emotional, even if she's not actually dead. To be honest I'm indifferent about the cliffhanger. My thoughts on how the episode ended largely depend on how good the season 6 premiere is. So overall, it was a great finale, although it could've been a solid 9 if they scrapped the beginning entirely, or even possibly a 10 if the Jacob scene was longer/better.

Even though this season has been my favorite so far, I have to say I'm a little bit disappointed with the latter half of the season. The first half was absolutely incredible, with the season premiere "Because you Left" being my second favorite episode of the series so far, after Through the Looking Glass. The next episodes stayed consistent in quality, with every episode being amazing except for "Jughead." Once Sawyer, Juliet, and Miles arrived in 1977, and once Ben, Sun, and Locke crashed on the island again, that is where the season had a noticeable drop in quality. There's nothing really wrong with the Dharma Initiative storyline or the present-on-island storyline, but in my opinion they weren't as exciting or interesting as the episodes that came before it. Every episode was great, but only "he's our you" even comes close to the quality of the first half.

The reason that both storylines weren't as engaging is because they moved a lot slower. Now, I don't have a problem with that, in fact I love how the latter half of the season focused more on character development than story. This is more of a reasoning, not a critique. It gets the job done, but it ultimately isn't as exciting. The Dharma storyline only started to get really intense in "The Variable", and the present storyline really only started to get interesting in the season finale. To be honest, besides "Locke" and Ben meeting Jacob at the end, not much happened. Sun did hardly anything, and Ilana's motivations remained unclear throughout (what is a "candidate?"). Overall, the Dharma storyline was much more interesting, even if the reveal that Locke wasn't the real Locke had an excellent payoff.

Overall, I'd still give this season around a 9.5/10, even if there was only one 10/10 episode and even though it kinda ran out of steam after 7 episodes. It was absolutely brilliant, and even though the finale was the worst one yet, it was still pretty great. I'm gonna stick to an 8/10, but if the season 6 premiere blows me away then I might increase it back to a 9/10. Thank you, Lost. I can't wait for the final season!
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8/10
Fairly decent but rushed
Adam-092654 December 2021
The writing throughout this season has been a mess. We have had some good development but as soon as they started with the whole time travel plot, the show became tedious. That said Ben Linus and John Locke are pretty much the only characters that have kept this show interesting from the start of season five onwards. Sayid has had good development. Other main cast members though are starting to become more background characters now.
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7/10
Lost, the Most Appropriate Title for a Great Mess
claudio_carvalho20 April 2013
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Jack and Sawyer fight against each other about the fate of the island and the passengers of the Oceanic Flight 815 but Juliet ends the discussion, changing her mind. In the Swan station, Radzinsky is informed by Phil that a group is heading to the spot with a bomb. There is a shooting between Jack's group and Radzinsky's group with tragic consequences. Meanwhile, Locke, Ben, Sun, Richard and The Others head to the temple to meet Jacob. Locke and Ben enter in the temple and Ben stabs Jacob to death. Ilana reaches Richard and The Others and shows the content of the box her group has been carrying. In flashbacks, Jacob meets Jack after a surgery; Hurley when he is released from the jail; and John Locke after he had been pushed by his father from a building.

"Lost" was among my favorite TV shows until its Fourth Season. Unfortunately, the awful and messy Fifth Season explains how appropriate the title is for the great mess that the writers have written. Sun has a great motivation to return to the island since she would like to find her beloved husband again. The rest did not have any motivation to return to the island. But the worst is Jack wanting to reset the Oceanic Flight 815 and making the suffered lead characters to return to their previous life before the accident: Jack a complete loser; Kate a prisoner; Sawyer a con-man; Sun and Kim estranged to each other; Rose terminal with cancer; Locke crippled; Hurley cursed; Sayid a torturer; and so on. The good thing is that now there is only one last season of "Lost". My vote is five.

Title (Brazil): "Lost - The Incident - Part 2"
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1/10
The writers has Lost it
usamasight24 September 2019
This is by far the worst episode in the whole series, the writers has lost it completely, from the beginning of the series the writers could not come up with a good reason why those people came back to the Island except Sun, maybe they should not remove them from the island in the first place !

the worst thing is Dr. Juliet once she wants to take off the island the other time she wants to stop jack from exploding the bomb seconds after she wants to help hi again ! the writers has completely lost it !!!
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1/10
Absolutely stupid.
abortamir10 March 2021
You're telling me that Juliet didnt die from that fall? give me a break.
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Disparity 🧀😆
nananow9 April 2022
Perhaps my having binged this series (second viewing) gave me the edge to see the disparity in writing and characters throughout this finale. It helps to watch it with a sense of humor. It does, however, set us up for S6 finale and gives us appropriate closure. Maybe we can nuke S5 finale. 😁
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