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10/10
What we fight for
owlaurence23 June 2010
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Wow. When the episode started I was laughing and right now I am in tears. Really. The plot picks up exactly where we left, in a rather light-hearted way, with poor Bregman trying to salvage what he can from a series of useless interviews, while O'Neill and the others deal with the latest Jaffa assault.

Then things take a sudden turn for the worse as O'Neill is left for dead. Of course, we are stuck watching the aftermath of the battle from Bregman's limited point of view, and everything seems to confirm that he is the unseen casualty everybody mentions. Now this is probably silly but I really bought it, as I knew he was to leave the show at some point (and hadn't really contributed much recently).

As the shocked survivors try to cope, however, the NID suddenly barges in, questioning the SGC's motto that "we leave no man behind", essentially on financial grounds. To Hammond, the reporter now looks like the lesser evil, as *he* at least honestly wants to show the SGC in a good light, and makes several good points concerning secrecy and heroism. So Bregman gets the "live action" tape he wanted so much.

This is where the episode becomes simply brilliant. We expect to watch the dramatic dying message of a young father-to-be --the typical heroic cliché of every action movie ever made. But right when the reporter starts wincing, comes the real shocker: almost off-screen, so fast that it barely registers, a perfect parallel to Bregman's story of the war photograph. Obviously, O'Neill and the wounded soldier ARE heroes. Even Hammond, who has to put his grief aside to deal with petty bureaucrats when he'd obviously much rather fight alongside his men, is a hero in his own way. But who had really paid attention to Janet Frasier's presence on the field? Who had actually noticed her absence? Congratulations for punching me in the guts with *that* twist.

So the episode ends on a very sober, moving note, as Janet Frasier gets the send-off that she deserved. The episode thankfully avoids getting too tearful; granted, naming the newborn baby after her is a bit circle-of-lifey, but it is still touching. The best part, however, is the eulogy Teal'c (of all people!) writes for her, saying that Janet's particular brand of heroism, right to the end, consisted not in risking her life but in saving that of others. And I think Bregman's film says the same thing about the whole SGC.

So in a nutshell: Don't expect spaceships, alien technology and galactic stakes. This episode has nothing spectacular. It is simply beautiful.
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10/10
Not ashamed
j-r-slane21 April 2015
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I'm not ashamed to say that this episode still makes me cry. I remember when it first aired. Just so many "feels"... Even now, when I know what the end of the episode brings. It almost makes it *more* emotional.

While I hate losing a much loved recurring character, they couldn't have given her a better send-off. There was a LOT of respect shown in how this episode was written. Respect for the character. Respect for the actress. Respect for *real* men and women in uniform who die in the name of freedom (even/especially if it's for the freedom of other people).

People give the Whedon's crap sometimes for killing beloved characters... but they're not the only ones who have perfected that level of emotional manipulation. The death of Janet Fraser hit me every bit as hard as Mrs Summers, Tara, Wash, etc... if not more-so since she wasn't a regular but was a much loved recurring character (the type that's usually "safe" from such fates).
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10/10
The Best Directed Episode
Easygoer105 August 2020
Andy Mikita directed this (and the previous) episode. They were fortunate to have Adam Baldwin and several other first rate actors co-star. It is the best written as well. As far as the details, I leave this to the viewer. All I will note is this: A very powerful and authentic show. The latter (authenticity) is the hardest thing to portray on film; a complete success here.
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10/10
A masterpiece
miavictoriapaul22 July 2018
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This episode had some of the finest acting and story telling I've ever watched!! It had me in tears all the way to the end!! Absolutely brilliant!! My favorite episode without a doubt. Obviously very tragic losing Dr Frasier, especially after having such a connection to the journalist.
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10/10
The Pinnacle of Stargate
dmshrmed14 May 2022
The horrors of war are often sidelined, in Stargate, for the sake of lighter themes. That works most of the time, given the show's mostly lighthearted and adventurous atmosphere. If every episode tried to dive deep into the true face of war, it simply wouldn't be the same show. This episode, however, using the previous episode as a necessary stepping stone, perfectly redirects a fairly typical Stargate plot into a masterpiece on the ugly chaos of war. It goes even further in asking how that side of war should be remembered, and whether it should be remembered at all. This was an episode that truly plays with your expectations, leaving nothing in exactly the place that you thought it would be, and doing so with genuine care and concern for the topics it's addressing. While I'm certainly up for more adventure, and will be watching and enjoying the rest of the series, this episode felt almost like a thematic finale for all of the horrors SG-1 and the SGC have suffered throughout the series.
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10/10
Watch it again
aijiko17 July 2020
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I am super picky about pacing issues and sg1 is replete with them as a series. This episode is no exception. Having said that, I gave it a ten with good reason. Both parts are packed with marvelous moments of that golden confluence you so rarely see in television shows. When the writing is somehow natural, inspiring, and entertaining all at once. When the direction is cohesive, intuitive and entirely unobtrusive. When the acting is outstanding. When the plot threads are driven by genuin character motivations. When all of these things sing in a transcendent harmony on screen you feel it deeply.

A lot of people have expressed frustration or disappointment with the way the good doctor's death came about and how it was revealed. Please understand this was not poor writing. This is a brilliant commentary on the life of any service personnel in any armed forces. When someone in service dies it should be frustrating and upsetting and feel senseless. That is the nature of their service. That is why they are heroes. If you felt this way it was by design. Now you understand in a tiny way how all those feel who lose loved ones, friends, and brothers and sisters in arms. Frustrated, upset and like it was sadly senseless. And then, something amazing happens. Once you've mourned the loss and questioned why one survives and another does not, you begin to see that the violence is senseless but the courage in its face is not. The loss of that life is not a thing taken but opportunity given. This is the very rollercoaster ride of grief and acceptance played out in these episodes. Right down to the burning fervor to know the truth, as portrayed through the brilliant acting of Saul Rubinek.

I appreciate shows that have an objective and then execute them brilliantly. These two episodes do that.
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10/10
Never fails.
ldargue24 January 2023
The need for a free press (as awful as it can be) is a powerful yet totally side note here.

The tears flow easily if you sit back and take it in. Bravi, writers, actors, and crew.

A fantastic episode, which, although many of us fans think the main event too early, it works so well because it was.

It easily makes you reflect on the sacrifices service personnel make, not by going to war, or entering a danger zone, but merely by turning up for work, no matter what their role.

One can oppose military action, but still support the military. A strange irony this episode helps to explain, without having to say the words.
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8/10
In my feels
Calicodreamin30 March 2022
Well that reveal hit me like a ton of bricks, had me in my feels and close to tears. The build up was perfect and the aftermath perfectly sentimental. Well acted and well developed.
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8/10
Good episode but flawed
shug-762954 January 2024
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Overall, very good episode. The premise is makes sense showing the conflict of a military leader focused on the welfare of his people and accomplishing a mission vs the press and their need to tell what is going on. Also showing the problems that can come from the Monday-morning quarterbacking that happens with so-call experts second guessing decision made under pressure during the operation of a mission. All actors involved did an outstanding job. I would recommend watching these shows.

However there is a flaw that anyone who knows combat operations would notice right away. An issue that is seen throughout this show and in other similar shows. That is allowing Dr. Frasier or anyone who doesn't have the proper combat training to go into a combat situation. In such operations, the military has combat medics, doctors, and medical personnel that are not only trained in combat medical operations but also combat operations. Even though Dr. Frasier is portrayed as a highly competent doctor, her place would be in the ER or surgery center behind the lines. In a real situation, each SG team would have an assigned combat medic and a unit like the SGC would have an emergency response team with a combat doctor. The combat medics and doctors do their best to save and stabilize the patient and then would bring the wounded to her. They are trained to do this when the bullets are flying around them. Very brave people and I've been proud to work with a lot of them. Because of her lack of combat training, she would not be sent into combat.
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8/10
It has a big cheap shot!!!
prjct16 September 2018
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Do not read any farther if you haven't watched through. I have seen the entire series multiple times and I don't like a lot of how this was played out. I like the episode but I have a huge issue with how Janet died. I am not like most fans who get upset with her death. Like Carson in "Sunday" I think that it was too poetic to not do, my problem is that Janet was there from day one and her death was overshadowed by Jack's survival. Half the episode the viewer is led to believe that Jack is the one who died, then you learn it is Janet and instead of mourning her loss you are just happy it's not Jack. They do her justice in the end but it has always felt like a big ass cheap shot against the good Dr. If they had handled it differently I would give it a 9 or 10, but as sad as it is I give it an 8 because, cheap shot and multiple viewings aside, I still cry a little.
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7/10
Melodramatic Episode
claudio_carvalho3 April 2018
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"Heroes: Part 2" could have been a great episode of "Stargate SG-1". The return of the rogue group N.I.D. and the idea of entwining political plot with action does not work but the writers insist in these situations. When you see the show with the idea of a group fighting alien as if they were representatives of Earth sounds indeed ridiculous. Therefore the show should be limited to the action. Emmett Bregman is an annoying and unfunny character and this type of tension in the SGC is irritating. The loss of Dr. Janet Fraiser is absolutely unnecessary and the viewers will certainly miss this great character. My vote is seven.

Title (Brazil): "Heroes: Part 2"
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1/10
Destroyed Stargate SG1
katemandell-736023 May 2023
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Poorly set up with very bad wrting.

Janet was only killed off for the sake of being killed off, only to be forgotten about and erased from the show. This is a TV show, not a documentary!

The only people who actually understands me are others who has Janet as their favourite characters. Some has admitted if it was their favourite who had an unfair sendoff like this they'd stop watching too, but still likes it because they're the lucky ones. If it was their favourite with this kind of writing they too would see it's bad writing, but they're blinded by theirs being alive.

Please bring back Janet permanently in the new show. I've been waiting ever since this episode destroyed the show and I'm still waiting.
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4/10
!0 4 Good Buddy
fcabanski16 September 2015
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What's the difference between a 10 and a 4 rating? Manipulating the audience by keeping secrets from them.

While the secret is only for the inattentive, it's still a secret. Anyone paying attention knew O'Neill took a staff shot to the anti-staff armor.

Let the audience know what the characters don't know. Letting the characters know something the audience doesn't know, and concealing it with cleverly directed half conversations, is a formula for blah.

The episode did a nice job of ending on a high note. It showed a respectful documentary describing the heroism of the people at SGC. It was a nice redemption for the documentary director: he turned out to be a sincere guy.

As for the death of Doctor Mary Ann Jr. (she looks like Mary Ann from Gilligan's Island), that's another blah.

The episode also loses points for not advancing the main series story line. It probably deserves points for involving so much Jaffa action without really mattering.
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1/10
Heroes ruined Stargate SG-1
rebekkaxl3 May 2023
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I just can't comprehend why Heroes is rated so high. They made it to look like Jack dies only to be like "don't worry, Jack's fine, it's 'just' Janet". This is so unfair and insulting to Janet fans, it makes it look like she wasn't important at all.

How the episode was set up and the death reveal was so badly done. There is also no aftermath, except from Ripple Effect where an alt. Janet (which she barely even appeared) the character was literally forgotten and erased from the show.

I always stop my rewatches before Heroes now, it literally ruined the show and I'm still pissed. I'm still waiting for a new show to fix it! The only reason I watched until Ripple Effect was because people told me Janet would be back, but never that it was just an alt. Version nor that she would leave again. I feel so cheated.

What's worse is that everyone I've seen claim this to be a 'great episode' and that Janet got a 'great send off' doesn't even have Janet as their favorite character. I know if their favorite character died in such a poorly written episode they would be upset too, and I'm so tired of that hypocrisy.
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