Pure Chinese Pride.
Thats it. A lot of comments have talked about rehashing Rocky, segments of scenes rather than a complete flowing script. The cartoony villains. The lack of an original story 'worthy of Ip Man'. Whatever thats supposed to mean.
The only people who really get this film are those who 'get' the Patriotic spirit behind this film. I've been reading a book recently, which i wont mention that talks about Chinese culture and how the Chinese have been treated in the past and how they treated themselves and now I've seen Ip Man 2....I understand Chinese culture more and I can appreciate every artistic decision made to make this film.
This film really, in my mind, a step forward for the HK and China collaborations. Culturally, China right now is looking to the west to learn and adopt its 'isms' and then here comes Donnie Yen ( American raised Chinese) gracing the big screen with his larger than life persona as Ip Man telling the audience that we should respect each other and that one mans integrity is not better than another's.
I can understand the cynics amongst us who see this as a repeat of the Stallone thing. but using this method , in this context, with the symbolism of a fight between a Chinese and Western fighter as representing the clash between East and West cultures speaks volumes. And this is the whole point of the film. Integration of East and West. And thats why the appearance of a young Bruce Lee at the end shows this.
A lot of people are saying the last 3rd is where the film is let down. To me this was the best part of the film, nothing to do with action, but with thematic purpose. If anything, the first section, that shows Ip Man railing from being shot in the first film ( Japanese takeover) and forced to start humble beginnings again, should have introduced the British threat at the beginning. Subtly.
The fight between schools of Ip Man and Sammo Hungs character are , nice, but seen before. And yes the tabletop scene was quite cool ,but as someone has already stated, a bit unbelievable. What WOULD have solidified this would be some kind of 'western threat' in the background. I know the director , Wilson Ip decided not to focus on the major historical elements of Ip Man, and is probably something that Wong Kar Wai will focus on,with his version of Ip Man, but still even an early threat of British Culture, or even Chinese Rich kids adopting British Culture, entering, a night club where the Brits have occupied some spot and don't allow Chinese in, or something...thematic, would've added to this film and made into a great story plot point. And maybe the fight between Ip Man and Samo Hung's character would be money- based- ie at first the fight between Schools is to do with pride but in reality, Sammo is threatened by the English officer for not collecting enough money and when Ip Man refuses to pay, Samo has to report to the officer a lack of payment and because of this, has to save face by fighting the English Officer's challenger. These small details would've created more of a 'through- line' in the script, making the ending even more rewarding.
So to sum up. Cinephiles wont like this because they're already spoilt for choice. Ip Man purists wont like this because they want something more historical ( even though history is used as a reference point and not a retelling) but those who understand Chinese culture and know what the Chinese have been through will love this film. And as this film is aimed at a Chinese market of say 1.3 billion people or so, id say this film is an undoubted success at promoting integrity of spirit at a time when Chinese society is going through challenging times ( witness the Chinese Man who killed 8 schoolchildren recently - March 2010), this film offers some great escapism. And in my mind, THAT is a commercial success. The Ip Man team should be proud of their work.
PS: Any mainlanders reading this review and nodding their heads in pride, should also take note:Demanding 'Avatar' in your cinemas is not a recipe for a step forward in Chinese culture. Borrowing Hollywood elements and making your it own IS.
Thats it. A lot of comments have talked about rehashing Rocky, segments of scenes rather than a complete flowing script. The cartoony villains. The lack of an original story 'worthy of Ip Man'. Whatever thats supposed to mean.
The only people who really get this film are those who 'get' the Patriotic spirit behind this film. I've been reading a book recently, which i wont mention that talks about Chinese culture and how the Chinese have been treated in the past and how they treated themselves and now I've seen Ip Man 2....I understand Chinese culture more and I can appreciate every artistic decision made to make this film.
This film really, in my mind, a step forward for the HK and China collaborations. Culturally, China right now is looking to the west to learn and adopt its 'isms' and then here comes Donnie Yen ( American raised Chinese) gracing the big screen with his larger than life persona as Ip Man telling the audience that we should respect each other and that one mans integrity is not better than another's.
I can understand the cynics amongst us who see this as a repeat of the Stallone thing. but using this method , in this context, with the symbolism of a fight between a Chinese and Western fighter as representing the clash between East and West cultures speaks volumes. And this is the whole point of the film. Integration of East and West. And thats why the appearance of a young Bruce Lee at the end shows this.
A lot of people are saying the last 3rd is where the film is let down. To me this was the best part of the film, nothing to do with action, but with thematic purpose. If anything, the first section, that shows Ip Man railing from being shot in the first film ( Japanese takeover) and forced to start humble beginnings again, should have introduced the British threat at the beginning. Subtly.
The fight between schools of Ip Man and Sammo Hungs character are , nice, but seen before. And yes the tabletop scene was quite cool ,but as someone has already stated, a bit unbelievable. What WOULD have solidified this would be some kind of 'western threat' in the background. I know the director , Wilson Ip decided not to focus on the major historical elements of Ip Man, and is probably something that Wong Kar Wai will focus on,with his version of Ip Man, but still even an early threat of British Culture, or even Chinese Rich kids adopting British Culture, entering, a night club where the Brits have occupied some spot and don't allow Chinese in, or something...thematic, would've added to this film and made into a great story plot point. And maybe the fight between Ip Man and Samo Hung's character would be money- based- ie at first the fight between Schools is to do with pride but in reality, Sammo is threatened by the English officer for not collecting enough money and when Ip Man refuses to pay, Samo has to report to the officer a lack of payment and because of this, has to save face by fighting the English Officer's challenger. These small details would've created more of a 'through- line' in the script, making the ending even more rewarding.
So to sum up. Cinephiles wont like this because they're already spoilt for choice. Ip Man purists wont like this because they want something more historical ( even though history is used as a reference point and not a retelling) but those who understand Chinese culture and know what the Chinese have been through will love this film. And as this film is aimed at a Chinese market of say 1.3 billion people or so, id say this film is an undoubted success at promoting integrity of spirit at a time when Chinese society is going through challenging times ( witness the Chinese Man who killed 8 schoolchildren recently - March 2010), this film offers some great escapism. And in my mind, THAT is a commercial success. The Ip Man team should be proud of their work.
PS: Any mainlanders reading this review and nodding their heads in pride, should also take note:Demanding 'Avatar' in your cinemas is not a recipe for a step forward in Chinese culture. Borrowing Hollywood elements and making your it own IS.
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