41 reviews
Series name change necessary?
I have watched Trek from way back when and have enjoyed even the bad episodes, but season two of Discovery should be called the Michael Burnham cry me a river show..... It seems that each episode revolves around her more and more, leaving every other character as filler. Starting to wear a bit thin.
- smdickeson
- Apr 20, 2019
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Am I reading this right?
- MartyisGreat
- Mar 28, 2019
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Micheal Burnham is allways crying
The acting of Sonequa Martin-Green (Michael Burnham) is horrible.
And her dramatic scenes and cryings are really annoying.
- DVM-Serdar
- Mar 29, 2019
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A leap of faith I can't make anymore
Time is out of joint
The focus has narrowed a bit with this episode. We have seen a wide variety of events, we even tried to connect them to things we had seen at other times, even to other shows in this franchise.
But most of this timeline is self contained and self referenced.
In many Trek time stories, they are solved with a simple "Make it never happened" scenario.
That's not going to work here. The complexity level is way beyond anything we've seen in this show before.
Then came 2009's "Star Trek" and it's practical rewrite of Trek's 300-year plus history. The Kelvin timeline was never corrected to the "never happened" point, so anything that happens there is unrelated to any of this.
In Enterprise, we had interesting interference from the Temporal Cold War, but in the end everything reset itself (in one magnificent scene in "Stormfront II" where we get to see this happen). So, we can disregard that as well.
I was hoping that some of these elements would show up as part of Discovery's conundrum, but they haven't- other than a few references.
No. This story is all about the Magic Red Angel. But have we had too much dumped on us?
Actually what is happening here, is that disparate elements that appeared to not have any relation to each other are now showing up as facets of this story as it progresses.
Go back and collect all the pieces: What does a magic asteroid with strange gravitational properties, a group of humans living in the Beta quadrant, Tilly's Mycelial friend, a huge being that contained a memory archive, Dr Culber, Saru's Evolution, and Section 31 have to do with each other?
Not much, unless you take into account who the Red Angel really is and what they have been doing.
And even the Red Angel, will not be the same from this moment on.
But most of this timeline is self contained and self referenced.
In many Trek time stories, they are solved with a simple "Make it never happened" scenario.
That's not going to work here. The complexity level is way beyond anything we've seen in this show before.
Then came 2009's "Star Trek" and it's practical rewrite of Trek's 300-year plus history. The Kelvin timeline was never corrected to the "never happened" point, so anything that happens there is unrelated to any of this.
In Enterprise, we had interesting interference from the Temporal Cold War, but in the end everything reset itself (in one magnificent scene in "Stormfront II" where we get to see this happen). So, we can disregard that as well.
I was hoping that some of these elements would show up as part of Discovery's conundrum, but they haven't- other than a few references.
No. This story is all about the Magic Red Angel. But have we had too much dumped on us?
Actually what is happening here, is that disparate elements that appeared to not have any relation to each other are now showing up as facets of this story as it progresses.
Go back and collect all the pieces: What does a magic asteroid with strange gravitational properties, a group of humans living in the Beta quadrant, Tilly's Mycelial friend, a huge being that contained a memory archive, Dr Culber, Saru's Evolution, and Section 31 have to do with each other?
Not much, unless you take into account who the Red Angel really is and what they have been doing.
And even the Red Angel, will not be the same from this moment on.
Nice episode, but nothing happens!
- aa-vanille
- Mar 28, 2019
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I enjoyed myself, but also cringed alot
- frank-fm-smit
- Mar 29, 2019
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EXCELLENT EPISODE
Such an amazing actress Sonequa Martin Green shines in this episode
Michelle Yeoh is just superb
I always look forward to seeing Georgio in an episode
The low scores and bad ratings on here makes me think are these people actually watching the episode or just rating it badly as a smear campaign
I absolutely adore Star Trek especially Discovery
There's only 4 more episodes to go and the excitement is edge of your seat thrilling
- jenabraham-43312
- Mar 28, 2019
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Puny Q, heed the power of HUMAN technology. This is Star Trek: Skynet
Well, I was born during the 6th season run of Voyager, so I am far too young to become a trekkie, but I try to give the old series and DIS equal respect, and even the Abrams films.
Sometimes DIS as a prequel looks too advanced to be a 23rd century series. I excused that, because we are in 2019 not 2001(Enterprise) or 1966(TOS).
Sometimes DIS features something contradictory to canon. I excused that, because you cannot do a prequel completely without problems.
I believe that the DIS team still respect canon as a whole, and I generally get expected results. But this episode is completely a letdown.
Oh c'mon, so now we're having Super Leland? Is he T-3000 or what? He is not only super fast but also immune to all kinds of damage. Even the BORG can't do that! In ST:First Contact just a holographic machine gun phased a borg guy to hell! And that was late 24th century!
Yeah I know Control has its tricks, but not as good as THIS. First the Time Crystal, not we got the Terminator guy? Nanotechnology that turns flesh and bones straight to metal jelly? This is ridiculous! If 23rd century tech can be this good, why are 24th century people still worried about injuries? Just your Skynet Medi-gel will do!(No offense to you, Commander Shepard)
I forgot where, but I read an interview with Jonathan Frakes, our beloved number one. He said he wanted to make the scenes as flashy as possible, now that we have the money and tech. Yeah that's good, but can you please avoid showcasing CGI a bit too much to let them become canon-disrupting mess? I don't want to see Star Trek becoming a feast of CGI frontiers while a dummy at keeping respect toward its own franchise!
Yeah finally, to this episode. Good storyline, nice interaction between characters. As for the common "draggy" complaints, I want to say in defense of this show that if you want a good show, you should expect character development other than progressing the central plot. The emotions and thoughts of the characters should be paid attention to as well!
I am liking Mirror Georgiou more and more, for her inhibited humanity is coming to the surface, and Yeoh plays it quite well. Sonequa's performance is feeling more natural, less forced.
As for the Super Leland mess...Well, Kurtzman, I know your team is good at throwing mysteries and explaining them in later episodes, so YOU BETTER EXPLAIN IT!
Yeah, and please, tell me the time suit is built with future technology.
Sometimes DIS as a prequel looks too advanced to be a 23rd century series. I excused that, because we are in 2019 not 2001(Enterprise) or 1966(TOS).
Sometimes DIS features something contradictory to canon. I excused that, because you cannot do a prequel completely without problems.
I believe that the DIS team still respect canon as a whole, and I generally get expected results. But this episode is completely a letdown.
Oh c'mon, so now we're having Super Leland? Is he T-3000 or what? He is not only super fast but also immune to all kinds of damage. Even the BORG can't do that! In ST:First Contact just a holographic machine gun phased a borg guy to hell! And that was late 24th century!
Yeah I know Control has its tricks, but not as good as THIS. First the Time Crystal, not we got the Terminator guy? Nanotechnology that turns flesh and bones straight to metal jelly? This is ridiculous! If 23rd century tech can be this good, why are 24th century people still worried about injuries? Just your Skynet Medi-gel will do!(No offense to you, Commander Shepard)
I forgot where, but I read an interview with Jonathan Frakes, our beloved number one. He said he wanted to make the scenes as flashy as possible, now that we have the money and tech. Yeah that's good, but can you please avoid showcasing CGI a bit too much to let them become canon-disrupting mess? I don't want to see Star Trek becoming a feast of CGI frontiers while a dummy at keeping respect toward its own franchise!
Yeah finally, to this episode. Good storyline, nice interaction between characters. As for the common "draggy" complaints, I want to say in defense of this show that if you want a good show, you should expect character development other than progressing the central plot. The emotions and thoughts of the characters should be paid attention to as well!
I am liking Mirror Georgiou more and more, for her inhibited humanity is coming to the surface, and Yeoh plays it quite well. Sonequa's performance is feeling more natural, less forced.
As for the Super Leland mess...Well, Kurtzman, I know your team is good at throwing mysteries and explaining them in later episodes, so YOU BETTER EXPLAIN IT!
Yeah, and please, tell me the time suit is built with future technology.
- Sermell_Sino
- Mar 31, 2019
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Perpetual Infinity
- Prismark10
- Aug 22, 2019
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Best episode
By far the best episode in a woefully disappointing season. I won't critique it, trust me, just watch it! It may have saved the season in my opinion.
- addywalcott
- Mar 28, 2019
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Perpetual Infinity
- bobcobb301
- Aug 25, 2019
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I'm Tired
Not so bor(g)ing.
What I would not give to just talk for a few minutes...
- rrtiverton
- Oct 28, 2020
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Visually pleasing but unrealistic episode
Burhnam's mother left her very long ago. Realistically, i would be okay with her reaction if her loved ones passed away recently. If i were her, I would stand there without crying, yet being curious as to how that happened with past memories flashing in. The show is either too dark or too white. The directors need to find the right grey area ( Which was most appreciated in DS9). I mean its not so hard to think of a situation in first person.
Solid episode and great to see Sonja Sohn in Star Trek
Control attempts to take possession of the data collected by the time travel mission log of the Red Angel.
This was a pretty strong episode with quite a lot going on between the emotional interactions by certain characters.
I enjoyed the sci-fi concepts more than anything and thought they were as good as anything I've encountered in the franchise, albeit they were new spins on familiar ideas such as time travel and artificial intelligence. Some reviews have suggested the plot thread regarding Leland might possibly be an origin story for a some famous Star Trek antagonists. This would be a cool idea if it's written in the right way.
All characters are good for majority of the episode, with mother and daughter Burnham having some of the more heartfelt moments. I know Burnham's emoting is a bugbear for lots of reviewers but considering the plot of this episode I think it's all justified. Leland, Georgiou, Pike, Spock and even Ash Tyler all have memorable moments.
This episode is pretty heavy on the technobabble, but it does contain some of the most interesting of the series so far. It is one that requires close attention to what is being said, because the plot is driven by the sci-fi concepts.
All performances are excellent, with Sonequa Martin-Green and Michell Yeoh on great form. An inspired piece of casting was Sonja Sohn as Gabrielle Burnham. A strong, but soulful presence is required for this part and she fits the bill perfectly.
For me it is a 7.5/10 but I round upwards.
This was a pretty strong episode with quite a lot going on between the emotional interactions by certain characters.
I enjoyed the sci-fi concepts more than anything and thought they were as good as anything I've encountered in the franchise, albeit they were new spins on familiar ideas such as time travel and artificial intelligence. Some reviews have suggested the plot thread regarding Leland might possibly be an origin story for a some famous Star Trek antagonists. This would be a cool idea if it's written in the right way.
All characters are good for majority of the episode, with mother and daughter Burnham having some of the more heartfelt moments. I know Burnham's emoting is a bugbear for lots of reviewers but considering the plot of this episode I think it's all justified. Leland, Georgiou, Pike, Spock and even Ash Tyler all have memorable moments.
This episode is pretty heavy on the technobabble, but it does contain some of the most interesting of the series so far. It is one that requires close attention to what is being said, because the plot is driven by the sci-fi concepts.
All performances are excellent, with Sonequa Martin-Green and Michell Yeoh on great form. An inspired piece of casting was Sonja Sohn as Gabrielle Burnham. A strong, but soulful presence is required for this part and she fits the bill perfectly.
For me it is a 7.5/10 but I round upwards.
- snoozejonc
- Mar 24, 2021
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Star trek: Michael Burnham
Why everyone and everything turns around Michael? How many alien spaces we met in this show? One or two?
- marocrncevic
- Nov 13, 2020
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Full of fillers and lacking logical plot
- juretherebel
- Mar 29, 2019
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"I like science"
"I like science," said Spock.
What is this?
More importantly, regarding Michael, how does being educated on Vulcan and trained in Starfleet lead to shouting, arguing, and crying all of the time?
More importantly, regarding Michael, how does being educated on Vulcan and trained in Starfleet lead to shouting, arguing, and crying all of the time?
- polite-45692
- Apr 10, 2019
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Poor understanding
Again we have a Starfleet officer who is overly emotional and can't make the right rational decisions. Frankly Michael should be stripped of title and thrown in the brig or kicked out of Starfleet entirely with her behavior. She goes down to talk to her mom, only to NOT discuss what she was supposed to and make it all about her drama and herself . Who cares about the rest of the sentient life in the galaxy.
Then we have one after another, the extended dramatic scenes during emergency situations. Let is discuss this a little more while we're in this emergency because I have feelings to address.😒
I'm trying really hard to like this at this point I would seriously doubt I'm going to be watching this for a third season. You're ruining something that really wasn't hard to follow and use, the number of extended shows from the original shows it's quite easy to get a following if you write well, and stick to the cannon. Disappointed to say the least. And anyone who isn't also disappointed is lowering their bar and/or doesn't understand what Star Trek and Starfleet actually it is.
Then we have one after another, the extended dramatic scenes during emergency situations. Let is discuss this a little more while we're in this emergency because I have feelings to address.😒
I'm trying really hard to like this at this point I would seriously doubt I'm going to be watching this for a third season. You're ruining something that really wasn't hard to follow and use, the number of extended shows from the original shows it's quite easy to get a following if you write well, and stick to the cannon. Disappointed to say the least. And anyone who isn't also disappointed is lowering their bar and/or doesn't understand what Star Trek and Starfleet actually it is.
- DavePotter
- Mar 29, 2019
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I'll just leave this here ...
Many drawbacks in this episode, but Sonequa Martin-Green's overacting (overplaying) is so cringy and hard to watch! I understand that it is in the script and that it is required from her. She's portraying a character which suffers emotional shocks, one after another. But, how, in the hell, is it possible that no one, in the production team, after watching the final product, jumps and yells: FFS, what is this load of c**p!?
Perpetual Stupidity
- primeadministrator
- Apr 2, 2019
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This show keeps getting dumber
Their idea of a paradox makes zero sense. We already had to put up with time crystals like this was Final Fantasy, and now they can't even come up with convincing ways to talk about time travel. Also, the lens flares are so bad now in season two that they often obscure the shots behind them SUBSTANTIALLY. Every episode is LOADED with crying and overacting. On and on. The people running this show need to be FIRED. Three stars because I actually do think they can make it even worse and probably will.
- DJ_Reticuli
- Aug 28, 2019
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Is that in any way vague ?
That's a line uttered in this episode .
Maybe a cry for help by one of the writers .
Just when you think this show can't get any more random and ordinary , the creators surprise you and take it down another notch .
Just when you think this show can't get any more random and ordinary , the creators surprise you and take it down another notch .