"Gotham" Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do... (TV Episode 2015) Poster

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8/10
Good start to what looks like a great second season.
fredschaefer-406-62320421 September 2015
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The second season of GOTHAM kicks off right where the first season's finale left off with Robin Lord Taylor's Penguin taking over Don Falcone's criminal empire and Jim Gordon demoted to directing traffic. We catch up on a lot of characters in the first few minutes, including Bruce Wayne, who with the reluctant assistance of Alfred is attempting to gain entry to his father's secret lair underneath Wayne Manor. They then hit upon a lot of plot threads in this episodes, some like the now seriously crazy Ed Nygma are touched on only briefly, but are a sure promise of things to come.

The main plot lines concern Jim Gordon, who after being busted from the Gotham PD by the vindictive Commissioner Loeb, reluctantly goes to the Penguin to call in a debt and get himself back on the force. The Penguin is willing, but Gordon has to take care of a little collection problem before Gotham's new crime boss will do Gordon a solid. This is a very interesting direction for the heretofore incorruptible Gordon to go in, one where he has to do a wrong in order to serve the greater good. I give the writers credit for not coping out and letting things play out true to the story. As always, the best part of the show comes when Robin Lord Taylor's Oswald Cobblepot and Ben Mackenzie's James Gordon are on screen together.

We are also introduced to Theo Galavan, played by the sinister looking James Frain, another in a long line of wealthy men up to no good who seem to populate the DC universe; Galavan engineers a breakout of some inmates from Arkham Asylum which includes Erin Richard's Barbara Kean and Cameron Monaghan's Jerome, two characters who were revealed to be conscienceless murderers in the previous season. Galavan has plans for these two and the others he broke out-more plot threads to pay off in the season ahead.

We don't see much of Camren Bicondova's Selena Kyle, who now appears to have switched her allegiance from Fish Mooney to Oswald Cobblepot or Donal Logue's Harvey Bullock, who having quit the police force, now tends bar and says he is happy with civilian life. Don't expect these two situations to remain unchanged in future episodes. There is also too little of Drew Powell's Butch, formerly Fish's right hand man, but now at the side of the Penguin like Selena, although Anthony Carrigan's Victor Zsasz has a very nice moment when he assists his new boss in collecting on Gordon's favor. Looking forward to seeing Michael Chiklis in the weeks ahead as Gordon's new boss in the precinct and Nicholas D'Agosto's return as Harvey Dent.

In this show about Batman without Batman, it really is the villains who make the story, so far GOTHAM has done the legacy of Bob Kane proud. Looks like they are laying the ground work for a great second season.

Although one thing to nit pick: why couldn't Bruce just call in some tech guy from Wayne Industries to come and bypass the password on the lock his father installed on his underground lair? It would be a lot easier than blowing it up.
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8/10
Completing the old plots with a New stories .. just smells like perfection.
Aktham_Tashtush19 September 2015
The show picked up right where they left us ... the amount of excitement and eagerness still tip-top. and the story is still tight and filled with mysteries leave you on each episode wondering what's gonna happen with each character.

The story of Bruce Wayne is still focused on what his father has kept from him and he might discover more bit and pieces ,, but i am now more drawn to the plot of James Gordon and his "new" relation with Cobblepot the penguin :D .. gosh here Gordon would do some unexpected things to get what he really want and that definitely will tie him up tight to penguin.

The other new story is the story of the crazy prisoners and who each one of those will have at least a couple of crazy episode trying to destroy Gotham ...

and sure not forgetting Nygma is literally getting crazy missed up .. would he be in the good side or the bad one >>> Like we know which is which !! :D

So overall .. i do have a great hopes for this season .. and i think the first episode is showing some promising upcoming ones ..
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7/10
What are the ethical values of James Gordon
anas_f26 September 2015
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If we look at GCPD which is like any other institute that contain corrupted and clean . So lets start from the top to the bottom Comissioner Gillian B. Loeb : He is deeply involved with the Maroni which means he is corrupted very clearly .

Harvey Bullock : Is not corrupt yet !! but I cannot say that he is clean . Because he is officially and unofficially striking deals with the mobs . Gordon is not agreeing with him and he see it as unethical .

Now to our Hero James Gordon : He started with high values which mean he refuse to work with the mobs on any deal . Then it came to the point where he refuse to Kill the penguin in the orders of Falconi . later on he moved to the next level ( Harvey's ) which means he maintain good relation with the mobs and from time to time he ( EXCHANGE ) favors . On this season he passed the level of ( Loeb's ) by far when he killed a man for a favor .

I hope in the next episodes we will find the killing was fake and he has to do it for other reasons which we may discover . Otherwise , James Gordon is just another man who is seeking power in his organization no matter what is the price for it and that for sure doesn't make him a hero .
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10/10
Fantastic start. Shows a lot of promise and vast improvement from Season 1.
smg24222 September 2015
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This was a superb start to season 2 of Gotham (also referred to as "Rise of the Villains", fittingly). Almost all the gripes I had from Season 1 were pretty much nullified. I couldn't find much of a weak link in this episode, compared to a lot of flawed episodes in season 1.

The acting is better and entertaining. In the first season I strongly opined that Barbara Kean was the show's number one weak link in terms of character and acting. Fortunately in this episode, Kean is much, much better than in season 1. Her character arc is actually interesting now, in my opinion. The rest of the cast is great as well.

Some of the scenes in this episode had me in awe. The opening scene, the scene with Penguin, Zsasz and Loeb, and the one scene with Nigma (which I really hope is going to be an recurring element in Season 2!) are some of the most well-executed and well-conceived scenes I have seen on the show.

The writing is very good as well. There are parallels to Batman and the future of Gotham, as well as parallels to the pilot episode of Gotham. The ending to this one is, again, well-executed and really leaves you wanting more. Very "Dark Knight-esque".

I really had a hard time pointing out anything I didn't like or was flawed, from "Damned If You Do". It shows a lot of potential and promise for the rest of the season and that's exactly what I wanted. I hope the quality of the show only stays this way. This first episode of Season 2 was seriously good.
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9/10
Much stronger season opener than season one.
maureen_smith56 February 2016
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I often thought the first half of Gotham's opening season was a bit campy and glad the second was glorious and luckily apart from a few bits of campy acting season two opens much better and keeps the last half's more rip roaring style.

We open where we left off with Penguin(just a supreme Robin Lord Taylor)being the crime boss king of Gotham(well he thinks),Gordon(Ben McKenzie)reduced to traffic duty,Bullock(Donal Logue)has retired and works in a bar,Barbara(Erin Richards)is incarcerated in Arkham Asylum(along with nutters like Jerome Valeska and Richard Sionis)and Edward Nigma a.k.a Riddler(Cory Michael Smith)has began to truly lose his marbles whilst we find Bruce Wayne(David Mazouz)and Alfred(Sean Pertwee)have discovered a hideout under the fireplace but after climbing down stairs they find a password key pad and can't get past it.

After getting kicked off the force by Commissioner Loeb for slightly punishing another cop who arrived late Gordon goes to Penguin for help to get him his job back and getting Loeb fired(in exchange for Gordon collecting a debt for him,which goes wrong of course)leading to Penguin and nasty heavy Victor Zsasz invading Loeb's house,blackmailing him and getting not only Gordon's job back but having Loeb fired and seeing Gordon's friend Sarah Essen(Zabryna Guevara)becoming new commissioner.

Whilst this goes on a beautiful lady named Tabitha Galavan(Jessica Lucas)and her guards storm Arkham and kills some Arkham guards and gets Barbara,Jerome,Sionis and three other inmates out and brings them to her brother Theo's place and he tells them all his plans on using them for special jobs to cause mayhem in Gotham but kills Sionis when he tries to leave with Barbara.

Bruce and Alfred get into the hideout using a home made bomb where they find a study with computers and a note from Bruce's father telling him of corruption at Wayne Enterprises and to tell Bruce to do the right thing in his life.

Like I said a much stronger start than season one and kept the tone of season one's last half and creating more of a continuing story arc compared to standalone episodes which for me makes it stronger and means characters get more of a look in.

All the actors are great even if some were a tad camp at times but there is no one I dislike really(not a big fan of Barbara though)and all get to do a lot straight away.My favourite characters are Alfred and Penguin with Gordon,Bullock,Jerome and Edward not far behind all get a great look in with Alfred on typical wisecracking form,Bullock and Harvey having a great buddy cop relationship,Penguin slimy as ever and Edward finally showcasing his future Riddler tendencies plus is Jerome the Joker or not,he certainly has the characteristics of him.

This season is all about the bad guys with Penguin,Riddler,Galavan and Jerome the main focus at the moment and all have much screen time here and its great to see future Batman villains showing what could happen even if Barbara is odd as I thought she was Gordon's future wife not some nutter and killing Sionis was strange as I thought he was meant to be Black Mask(another member of Batman's rogue gallery)plus no sign at the moment of the return of Harvey Dent a.k.a. Two Face and Selina Kyle(future Catwoman)only appeared briefly(shame like this version of her)and still the young Ivy is absent(what happened to her Gotham makers).

A strong start(with the next two even better)with classic characters moulding into their future selves,usual humour,slimy bad guys,action packed,better story arc and nice shocks even if some characters like Barbara and Galavan are not that interesting and strange choices to either kill big names(Sionis)or not use them much(Selina,Bullock and Zsasz)but its back and getting better every time.
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8/10
Strong start
Fluke_Skywalker18 May 2017
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Plot; After being dismissed from the Gotham PD, Jim Gordon reluctantly seeks help from Gotham's new crime king, the Penguin.

Strong opener goes back to the "Gordon needs the Penguin's help" trope, but if it ain't broke. Robin Lord Taylor has done an excellent job evolving from the sniveling outcast to the big bird, and previously wasted Erin Richards clearly relishes her new role as a criminal femme fatale.
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7/10
An OK episode for start
jseph1234-262-61748822 September 2015
The show had some interesting moral dilemmas and one thing that I have to keep in mind is that they can't pack the entire season into one episode. They can only introduce the beginnings of the threads and hope they are enough to keep the viewer's attention.

Having said that, I think there were more of the Bruce Wayne superiority, "perfectness" which galls me and as you watch you will see what I mean. Also, campyness from the 1960's "Batman" which I loathe and feel is inappropriate for this. I just hate the idea of it descending into ridiculous laugh-fest therefore I gave it a 6.5 and rounded it up to 7
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3/10
Yep, It's Still Trash
ThomasDrufke21 September 2015
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I stopped watching Gotham after about episode 13 last year because I couldn't take the pain of watching a terrible show every week. But I begrudgingly decided to at least give season 2 a chance to prove to me that the show can still be an entertaining 42 minutes. Well, I was wrong. The show sucks. It's tonally inconsistent consistently. It honestly may even be as bad as Agents of Shield. Now, you have every right to think what you want. Go ahead and even love it if you'd like, but I just can't do it anymore.

It's fine to take some liberties, but having Barbara Gordon in jail for 'killing her parents' doesn't make any sense at all. Let alone having her chill with the supposed 'Joker' and is the Black Mask's brother in jail? Don't even get me started on the fact that 'Jerome' is even on the show in the first place. Why is Barbara even a focus? Her screen-time was near if not more than Jim Gordon himself....?

Onto Bruce, okay fine, he found what may be a batcave. Sure, you can make a case that it's something that could happen when he was 14-15 years old. But to hint at the fact that Thomas Wayne may have been a 'Batman like' figure or something beforehand is ridiculous. Flashpoint aside, that has never even been hinted at in the comics. Oh, and Bruce bossing Jim Gordon around? What the hell was that? Speaking of Gordon, a traffic cop? A traffic cop?!!? The man has been demoted and promoted so many times on the handful of episodes I have seen that this just screams like a lack of creative storytelling and a typical issue for network television. So then Gordon takes down...Zaardon...? Sure, make a new villain that is tonally in the same vein as the film Batman & Robin and throw him into a show full of supposed darkness. Yeah that'll fit Fox.

But to then have Gordon do a deal with Penguin, (which were actually really well acted scenes on both ends), to get himself reinstated seemed a bit silly. Especially because Gordon would never do something to get innocent people killed knowingly and steal a bunch of money on top of that. I'm honestly ticked off right now and I have no reason to be. Because I shouldn't have even watched the episode.

3.0/10
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