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In this extended interview, Andrew Tate and Candace Owens discuss the degradation of Western culture, the erosion of masculinity, the influence of global elites, and the manipulation of societal norms.

Candace Owens and Andrew Tate engage in a wide-ranging conversation on the challenges facing Western society, particularly focusing on the decline of traditional values and masculinity. They argue that societal manipulation through media, education, and political systems has weakened the resolve of men and promoted a culture of compliance and fear. They discuss how global elites, whom they refer to as "The Matrix," exploit these dynamics to maintain control, and how figures like Kamala Harris are emblematic of this trend. The discussion includes reflections on the psychological and sociopolitical implications of modern culture, drawing on personal experiences and historical references. Both Owens and Tate emphasize the need for a return to traditional values and a rejection of the pervasive, emasculating influences in contemporary society.—J. Spurlin

Candace Owens introduces the episode by discussing how societal elites seem to be promoting widespread ignorance. She humorously suggests that if a study claimed people should stop drinking water, a significant portion of the population might blindly follow it. Owens then plays a clip of Andrew Tate, where he expresses his disdain for relying on data, claiming that those who analyze data are often misled by what he calls "The Matrix." Tate argues that street smarts and life experience are more reliable than data, which he believes is manipulated to control the masses.

Following the clip, Owens engages in a live conversation with Tate, where they delve deeper into the concept of societal manipulation. Tate emphasizes that many people willingly submit to falsehoods because they prefer the comfort of conformity. They discuss how people accept data and narratives without question, likening this behavior to self-imposed slavery. Tate criticizes those who blindly follow mainstream narratives, using the controversy surrounding French President Emmanuel Macron's wife as an example of how common sense is often dismissed. Owens and Tate agree that "The Matrix" labels those who see through its deception as conspiracy theorists, perpetuating a cycle where truth is distorted and conformity is rewarded.

The discussion continues with Tate arguing that people willingly embrace mental slavery. Owens shares a CIA experiment that demonstrates the power of peer pressure, where individuals conformed to incorrect answers due to the influence of the majority. Tate connects this behavior to the broader attack on masculinity, asserting that many men fear speaking out against the prevailing narrative because it could lead to confrontation. He critiques the passive majority who simply go along with the system, allowing corruption and manipulation to persist. Tate also expresses his distrust in modern elections and the media's ability to erase inconvenient truths, noting how easily people are distracted by entertainment while their freedoms are eroded.

Owens and Tate then discuss how the media and government manipulate public perception, particularly regarding Kamala Harris and U.S. support for Israel. Tate argues that the media can quickly transform public opinion, using Harris as an example of someone who was once widely disliked but is now portrayed as beloved. Owens and Tate discuss how societal peer pressure forces people to conform to absurd narratives, whether related to COVID-19 or geopolitical alliances. They express skepticism about the commonly accepted notion that Israel is America's "number one ally," questioning the tangible benefits the U.S. actually receives. Tate suggests that the relationship serves corrupt politicians rather than the American public, and he highlights how dissent on this topic is often suppressed by accusations of antisemitism.

The conversation continues with Owens and Tate discussing the questionable loyalty of weak leaders and the dangers they pose when pressured by powerful forces. Tate argues that Kamala Harris, due to her perceived weakness, is easily manipulated and unlikely to defend the American people when faced with difficult decisions. He expresses concern that if Donald Trump loses the upcoming election, it could mark the end of America as a global power. Owens briefly interrupts the discussion to promote a product before shifting the conversation to internal conflicts within the MAGA movement. She notes that Trump seems different since his assassination attempt and may be constrained by new financial backers.

Owens and Tate discuss how constant pressure can wear down even the strongest individuals, referencing how Trump may have been forced to compromise with powerful entities to protect his family and interests. Tate speculates that Trump might have struck a deal to avoid severe repercussions, noting that relentless attacks and legal challenges could have taken a toll on him. They also talk about Elon Musk, with Owens expressing admiration for his efforts to defend free speech by acquiring Twitter. However, she observes that Musk seems different now, possibly due to the exhausting battle against powerful adversaries. Both Tate and Owens acknowledge that the fatigue from constant conflict might lead to compromises at the highest levels of power.

The conversation turns to the harsh realities of power and violence at the highest levels, with Tate emphasizing that even the wealthiest and most influential figures must make deals with certain powerful interests to protect themselves and their families. He suggests that these compromises are necessary for survival in a world where violence and coercion are underlying forces. Owens reflects on how issues like pedophilia and hypocrisy are often ignored or excused by those in power, particularly within the history and influence of certain groups. Both express frustration with how certain narratives are protected while others are suppressed, highlighting the dangers of challenging deeply entrenched power structures.

Owens and Tate then explore the dark underpinnings of power and control, focusing particularly on how pornography and blackmail are used to manipulate influential figures. Owens speculates that pornography websites might be used to identify and control individuals by exploiting their deviant interests. Tate agrees, adding that power can corrupt men by tempting them with forbidden acts, which become more alluring simply because others cannot engage in them. They also discuss how many Western politicians are compromised through blackmail, often involving their hidden sexual preferences. This, they argue, allows shadowy figures and organizations to control governments rather than elected leaders. Tate highlights the contrast between Western leaders often caught in scandals and figures like Donald Trump, whose non-conformity to such manipulation led to intense opposition.

The discussion continues with Tate and Owens examining how the erosion of masculinity has weakened society. Tate argues that true masculinity is defined by the willingness to protect land, women, and children, even at the cost of one's life. He claims that modern leaders, especially those who are homosexual, lack this masculine essence, making them easier to manipulate. Tate believes this is why there is a deliberate push for weak leadership, which he sees as part of a broader agenda to undermine the traditional masculine role. He also points out how the global promotion of LGBTQ+ rights is used to erode masculine values further, noting that this agenda has become untouchable, even more protected than religious symbols. Tate argues that when men no longer feel like the head of their household, they lose the incentive to defend their society, leading to a breakdown in societal values and strength.

Tate and Owens explore how societal structures have been systematically dismantled, particularly the traditional family unit. Tate argues that the breakdown of the nuclear family and the promotion of individualism, coupled with the rise of LGBTQ+ narratives, has left men without a sense of duty or purpose, weakening society. Owens suggests that the establishment targets figures like Tate and Donald Trump because they have the ability to galvanize men and rekindle true masculinity, which threatens the existing power structure. Tate agrees, noting that his influence over young men and his message of self-reliance made him a target. He emphasizes that masculinity involves saying "no" and standing firm in one's principles, which the current system tries to suppress by labeling it as hateful or harmful.

Owens and Tate continue their discussion on the corrupting influence of power, with Tate emphasizing that many people underestimate the true evil driving certain leaders. He argues that power-hungry individuals are not motivated by money but by a desire to control and humiliate others. Tate describes how these corrupt figures take pleasure in watching people suffer under their directives, such as wearing masks or taking ineffective vaccines. Owens adds that some leaders, shaped by traumatic experiences like childhood abuse, develop psychopathic tendencies that drive their harmful actions. Both agree that the global elite uses psychological manipulation and coercion to maintain control, showing little regard for the well-being of ordinary people.

They then discuss the sadistic tendencies of some leaders, noting how historical figures like Vlad the Impaler derived pleasure from inflicting pain due to their own traumatic experiences. Tate draws parallels between these historical leaders and modern politicians, arguing that many of today's leaders are similarly corrupted and care little for the people they supposedly serve. He emphasizes that these politicians are not incompetent but are deliberately working for hidden interests that have nothing to do with the public good. Tate also discusses how civilizations, including the West, are cyclical, rising to power only to eventually fall due to decadence and corruption. He warns that the United States is not immune to this cycle and could face a decline similar to that of ancient Rome.

The conversation shifts to the parallels between the decline of the Roman Empire and the current state of America. Tate argues that the fear surrounding Trump isn't about policy changes but the cultural shift he represents, particularly the inspiration for men to embrace masculinity. He criticizes the obsession with issues like abortion in American elections, which he believes distracts from more pressing concerns such as inflation, border security, and global conflicts. Tate expresses disbelief that people still support leaders like Kamala Harris, whom he claims are incapable of addressing significant problems. Owens adds that societal degradation begins in the education system, which she believes has been influenced by communist ideologies since early childhood education, contributing to the weakening of societal values.

Owens and Tate then explore the deep-rooted influence of communism and feminism on American society, tracing these origins back to when communist ideologies began infiltrating the U.S. education system. Owens argues that psychological conditioning from childhood has ingrained destructive ideas like feminism, leading to a decline in birth rates and societal stability. Tate adds that feminism not only discourages women from having children but also makes them less desirable partners for men, further contributing to declining birth rates. They both suggest that the global elite intentionally push these ideologies to weaken the population and replace it with more compliant, third-world workers who don't demand the same rights or quality of life, furthering their agenda of control and subjugation.

The discussion continues as Owens and Tate critique modern society, focusing on the declining birth rates among Western populations and how this trend threatens the future of these societies. Tate argues that feminism and the breakdown of traditional gender roles have led to a significant drop in birth rates, particularly among white families, making them vulnerable to being replaced by immigrant populations with higher birth rates. He emphasizes that the key to preserving any society is for women to have children, and he criticizes both men and women for failing to fulfill their traditional roles. Owens adds that even many straight men in America behave in ways she considers unmasculine, contrasting this with her experience in the UK, where she found more traditionally masculine men. They both discuss the importance of true masculinity, with Tate questioning whether the intellectual version of masculinity, represented by figures like Jordan Peterson, would be effective in a survival scenario.

Owens and Tate discuss the differences between men and women, particularly in how they handle pressure and responsibilities. Tate argues that modern society promotes a distorted view of masculinity, suggesting that real men should be passive and secure without needing to prove themselves. He counters this by asserting that true masculinity involves taking on challenges, proving capabilities, and being strong for one's family and society. Tate criticizes the idea that men should be comfortable with situations that undermine their authority or respect, such as allowing their partners to have close male friends. He emphasizes that a man's duty is to be strong, brave, and responsible, even when it's difficult, and warns that teaching men to avoid challenges leads to internal conflict, depression, and ultimately, societal decay.

The conversation shifts to the natural aggression and propensity for violence in men, which both Owens and Tate argue are fundamental aspects of masculinity that society is attempting to suppress. Owens shares her experience with her young son, who exhibits a strong desire to fight and emulate his father, highlighting the inherent differences between boys and girls. Tate emphasizes that the ability to defend oneself and others is the core of masculinity, criticizing the modern Western tendency to detach from violence by relying on others, like the police, to handle it. They both argue that society's current aversion to violence is unrealistic and dangerous, especially as Western nations continue to import people from cultures where violence is a common solution to problems. Tate also points out that long periods of peace can lead to war, as nations rebuild their resources and power, leading to inevitable conflict.

Owens and Tate reflect on the erosion of true masculinity and the consequences of men losing the ability to say "no" and defend themselves. Tate argues that masculinity is inherently tied to the capacity to stand firm and protect what one believes in, which requires the willingness to engage in conflict if necessary. He criticizes the modern redefinition of masculinity that promotes passivity and intellectualism over strength and action. Owens shares a personal experience where she confronted a man who aggressively approached her and her children in public, highlighting how societal norms have shifted to tolerate such behavior. She criticizes the man's wife for allowing this behavior, pointing out that true masculinity should instinctively protect women and children, not threaten them.

The discussion continues with Owens and Tate recounting their experiences with confrontations that reveal the decline of traditional masculinity. Owens describes how a man aggressively approached her and her children, emboldened by his belief in defending the narrative pushed by mainstream media, but he quickly backed down when confronted. Tate shares a similar story where a woman accused him of being a human trafficker in public, and her male companion failed to defend her when Tate confronted them, exposing his weakness. Both Tate and Owens criticize the modern male tendency to focus on irrelevant social issues rather than the pressing dangers facing society. They argue that the push for LGBTQ+ rights has gone beyond equality, now aiming to indoctrinate children as a way to sustain their movement since they cannot reproduce naturally.

Owens and Tate conclude this segment by criticizing the erosion of traditional masculinity and the societal shift that promotes weaker, more passive male figures as role models. Owens discusses how modern culture, exemplified by events like Taylor Swift concerts, subtly undermines patriarchal values, often with the support of men who have become complicit in their own decline. Tate points out the absurdity of this dynamic, where fathers fund activities that teach their daughters to reject the very structures that enabled those activities. They both argue that true masculinity involves strength, action, and the willingness to defend one's family and values, contrasting this with the "straight homos" who embrace the diluted version of manhood promoted by modern culture.

Owens and Tate discuss the West's declining global influence and how its weakened state leaves it vulnerable to stronger nations like China. Tate recounts a Chinese official dismissing the UK as a non-competitor, highlighting the fading historical importance of the West. He argues that Western societies are unprepared for the challenges ahead, particularly as their passive, unmasculine men face off against more determined adversaries from other cultures. The conversation then shifts to the recent stabbing of three young girls in the UK, with Tate criticizing the lack of focus on protecting children and the misdirection of societal efforts toward issues like racism instead of addressing real threats. He emphasizes that Western nations are increasingly unable to defend their own people due to political correctness and the fear of being labeled racist, which allows dangerous individuals to go unchecked.

The discussion continues as Owens and Tate explore the dangers of ignoring gut instincts and the pressure to conform to societal norms that dismiss basic pattern recognition as bigotry. Owens argues that modern labels like racism and homophobia are used to suppress instincts that would otherwise protect individuals and their families. Tate expresses concerns about the impact of trauma on people coming from war-torn countries, emphasizing that it's not about race but the psychological damage these individuals may carry. Both criticize the push to bring more people from such backgrounds into Western societies without addressing the root causes of their trauma. They also highlight the hypocrisy of those who supported wars in these regions, who now expect others to bear the consequences by integrating displaced and potentially unstable individuals into their communities.

Tate and Owens then discuss the impact of globalism, highlighting how elites profit from creating problems that the common people are left to deal with. Tate criticizes the idea of allowing unrestricted immigration to the West, comparing it to letting someone into your house because they want a better TV, arguing that it's not sustainable. They express concern over how society has managed to strip men of their protective instincts and women of their desire to have children, replacing these natural impulses with warped priorities. Owens shares a story about hiring a young man who excelled after attending Tate's Hustlers University, contrasting his success with that of many college graduates burdened with debt and limited prospects. She commends Tate for providing opportunities to those willing to work hard, noting how this highlights the flaws in the current education system.

The conversation continues with Owens and Tate discussing the success of Tate's Hustlers University, an online platform that teaches practical skills for making money, contrasting sharply with the traditional education system. Tate explains that Hustlers University offers 18 modern wealth creation methods for $49 a month, allowing students to learn skills like editing, sales, and more without the burden of massive debt associated with college degrees. Owens praises the program for providing opportunities to those from disadvantaged backgrounds who are eager to work hard and succeed. Tate notes that this approach has attracted significant opposition, as it empowers individuals to become financially independent, reducing their reliance on corporate jobs that often enforce compliance with restrictive policies. Despite the challenges, including attacks from the mainstream media, Hustlers University continues to thrive, offering an alternative to the flawed traditional education system.

Owens and Tate discuss the backlash Tate faces for challenging mainstream narratives, particularly regarding mental health and the influence of "The Matrix." Tate explains that Hustlers University, which teaches financial independence, has been criticized for alleged homophobia due to an online joke among students. He highlights how any positive initiative he undertakes, such as feeding the hungry or promoting self-discipline, is attacked because it empowers people to break free from societal control. Owens agrees, emphasizing that the establishment fears individuals who encourage others to think for themselves, as it disrupts their power. Tate recalls the intense criticism he received for suggesting that depression is often overdiagnosed and can be managed without medication, a stance that threatens the pharmaceutical industry's interests. They both conclude that the real issue is the system's need to keep people dependent and controlled, rather than allowing them to thrive independently.

Owens and Tate delve into the illusion of freedom in the West, arguing that true freedom is largely a myth. Tate points out that the more significant one's influence, the less freedom of speech they truly have, as the system will go to great lengths to silence those who challenge it. He discusses how society has propped up superficial freedoms, such as promoting extreme behaviors under the banner of LGBT rights, to distract people from the fact that they are not free to speak out against real power. Tate argues that these "freaks" are pushed to the forefront to maintain the illusion of freedom, while in reality, individuals are not free to challenge authority or speak out on important issues. He suggests that this thin veneer of freedom is all that separates the West from other authoritarian regimes, making the West's claims of being a free society increasingly hollow.

The conversation continues with Tate and Owens discussing how the West promotes itself as a bastion of freedom, but it's actually an illusion maintained by pushing extreme behaviors to the forefront. Tate notes that in countries like Russia, people at least know who holds power, whereas in the West, the true power structures are obscured, leaving citizens confused and powerless. Owens adds that the Western obsession with promoting degeneracy as freedom is less appealing when compared to the more straightforward and nationalistic leadership seen in places like Russia. They both express frustration with the lack of transparency in Western governance, where the true leaders remain hidden, and the public is left to deal with the consequences of corrupt and immoral policies.

Tate and Owens then critique the notion that the West is a bastion of freedom, pointing out that countries like the UK are more repressive in some ways than nations like Russia, especially regarding free speech. Tate notes that the illusion of freedom is maintained by promoting extreme behaviors, distracting people from realizing how fragile society really is. They discuss how quickly the United States could descend into chaos, with even a brief solar eclipse being enough to trigger crime, revealing how thin the cultural fabric has become. Owens highlights the importance of survival skills, warning that most Westerners are ill-equipped for any serious crisis. Tate offers advice to "straight homos," urging them to embrace confrontation rather than avoid it, as avoiding it only leads to internal conflict and unhappiness. He emphasizes that life is a constant struggle for power, and those who avoid conflict are destined to be dominated by others.

Tate concludes by urging men to confront their fears and direct their inner fire toward fighting external battles rather than letting it consume them internally. He explains that avoiding confrontation only leads to internal conflict, which is why many men feel unhappy and unfulfilled. Tate advises that instead of allowing fear to paralyze them, men should identify their enemies and channel their energy into overcoming them. Owens agrees, emphasizing that this advice is essential for men today. The conversation ends with both acknowledging that the truth they discuss is often censored, but they remain committed to spreading their message, confident that more people are beginning to see through the mainstream narrative and seek out independent voices for the truth.