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Robert Duvall | ... |
Jim Caldwell
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John Hurt | ... |
Kingsley Bedford
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Billy Bob Thornton | ... |
Skip Caldwell
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Kevin Bacon | ... |
Carroll Caldwell
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Robert Patrick | ... |
Jimbo Caldwell
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Ray Stevenson | ... |
Phillip Bedford
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Frances O'Connor | ... |
Camilla Bedford
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Katherine LaNasa | ... |
Donna Baron
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Marshall Allman | ... |
Alan Caldwell
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Shawnee Smith | ... |
Vicky Caldwell
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John Patrick Amedori | ... |
Mickey Caldwell
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Ron White | ... |
Neal Baron
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Irma P. Hall | ... |
Dorothy Lambert
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Carissa Fowler | ... |
April Baron
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Karli Barnett | ... |
Autumn Baron
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Wester Joseph | ... |
Connell Lambert / Band Member (Lead Guitar)
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Melody Smith | ... |
Terri
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John Paul Shellnut | ... |
J.D. Andrews
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Donnie Fritts | ... |
'Golly Bill' Chestnut
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Leon Lamar | ... |
Lamar
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Brent Briscoe | ... |
Bobby
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James Michael Bruce | ... |
Melvin
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Clay Chappell | ... |
Barber #1
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Ricky Muse | ... |
Barber #2
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Ritchie Montgomery | ... |
Bucky
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Ron Clinton Smith | ... |
Deputy #1
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Steve Coulter | ... |
Deputy #2
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Chuck Leavell | ... |
Band Member (Keyboards)
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Max King | ... |
Chubby Kid
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Nick Johnson | ... |
Band Member (Guitar)
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Duane Trucks | ... |
Band Member (Drummer)
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Kevin Scott | ... |
Band Member (Bass)
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Malissa 'Mali' Hunter | ... |
Mother Earth
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Connie Angland | ... |
Woman (uncredited)
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Grace Baine | ... |
Nurse (uncredited)
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Brent Bernhard | ... |
Crash Victim (uncredited)
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William R. Brock | ... |
Police Officer (uncredited)
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Jill Jane Clements | ... |
Female Neighbor (uncredited)
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John Curran | ... |
Butler (uncredited)
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Nick Dash | ... |
Dave (uncredited)
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Rick Dial | ... |
Bucky (uncredited)
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Tippi Hedren | ... |
Naomi Caldwell (uncredited)
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Brittany Lee Hellmeister | ... |
Nurse (uncredited)
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Joshua Holcombe | ... |
Paramedic (uncredited)
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Dylan Kussman | ... |
Milton (uncredited)
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Henry W. Laster | ... |
Deputy #3 (uncredited)
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Bill Pacer | ... |
Old Hippie (uncredited)
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John Ridings | ... |
Deputy Sheriff (uncredited)
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Joel Rogers | ... |
Nosy Neighbor Guy (uncredited)
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J.T. Seidler | ... |
Paramedic (uncredited)
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Bella Thornton | ... |
Kid (uncredited)
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Tim Ware | ... |
Male Neighbor (uncredited)
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Steve Warren | ... |
Barber Shop Customer (uncredited)
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Directed by
Billy Bob Thornton |
Written by
Billy Bob Thornton | ... | (written by) & |
Tom Epperson | ... | (written by) |
Produced by
Sergei Bespalov | ... | executive producer |
James D. Brubaker | ... | executive producer |
Chris Davey | ... | associate producer |
Geyer Kosinski | ... | producer |
Mark C. Manuel | ... | executive producer |
Ivan Philippov | ... | associate producer |
Alexander Rodnyansky | ... | producer |
Robert Teitel | ... | executive producer |
Music by
Owen Easterling Hatfield |
Cinematography by
Barry Markowitz | ... | director of photography |
Editing by
Lauren Zuckerman |
Editorial Department
Mark DiMambro | ... | digital intermediate drs operator |
Laura Geucherian | ... | digital intermediate producer |
Ryan Gladden | ... | digital intermediate data wrangler |
Kari Grubin | ... | digital intermediate supervisor |
Elizabeth Hooven | ... | dailies coordinator |
Dave Krodel | ... | digital intermediate engineer |
David Marks | ... | first assistant editor |
Charles Mruz | ... | editorial production assistant |
Kevin O'Connor | ... | digital intermediate final colorist |
Tim Safarik | ... | colorist: dailies |
Jeremy Stapleton | ... | digital intermediate data wrangler |
Craig Sutton | ... | digital intermediate data wrangler |
David Townsend | ... | post-production coordinator |
Danny Vins | ... | digital intermediate data wrangler |
Thom Whitehead | ... | digital intermediate editor |
Gilbert Carreras | ... | color timer (uncredited) |
Casting By
Lindsay Graham | ||
Mary Vernieu |
Production Design by
Clark Hunter |
Set Decoration by
Traci Kirshbaum |
Costume Design by
Doug Hall |
Makeup Department
Patricia Androff | ... | key makeup artist |
Lynne K. Eagan | ... | makeup department head (as Lynne Eagan) |
Jamie Hess | ... | prosthetic lab work by |
Alexis LaCentra | ... | prosthetic lab work by |
Michael Shawn McCracken | ... | prosthetic lab work by (as Michael McCracken Jr.) |
Matthew W. Mungle | ... | prosthetics created and applied by |
Koji Ohmura | ... | prosthetic lab work by |
Carol Rasheed | ... | makeup artist |
Richard Redlefsen | ... | prosthetic application |
Evelyn Roach | ... | hair stylist |
Jo Jo Stephens | ... | key hair stylist |
Katrina Suhre | ... | hair stylist |
Linda Thompson | ... | hair stylist (as Linda Clark-Thompson) |
Dawn Turner | ... | hair stylist |
Clinton Wayne | ... | prosthetic applications by |
Miyo Yamamoto | ... | prosthetic lab work by |
Joani Yarbrough | ... | hair department head designer |
Veronica Cox | ... | makeup artist (uncredited) |
Lawrence Davis | ... | additional hair stylist (uncredited) |
Carol F. Doran | ... | wig maker (uncredited) |
Production Management
Nancy Kirhoffer | ... | post-production supervisor |
Regina A. Warendorp | ... | production supervisor (as Regina Warendorp) |
Janet L. Wattles | ... | unit production manager (as Janet Wattles) |
Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Robert Ballentine | ... | second second assistant director |
Karen Davis | ... | second assistant director |
James Alan Hensz | ... | first assistant director / second unit director |
Art Department
Nancy Ballew | ... | sign painter |
Tracy Dean Brown | ... | sign painter |
Carrie Cantwell | ... | graphic designer |
Andi Crumbley | ... | art department coordinator (as Andrea N. Crumbley) |
Hank Curtis | ... | set dresser |
Craig Dempsey | ... | set dresser |
Emily Ferry | ... | property master |
Andrea Flader | ... | art department assistant |
Jared Fleury | ... | assistant property master |
Keith A. Frutiger | ... | scenic charge |
Scott Garner | ... | gang boss |
Robert S. Gibson | ... | scenic |
Drew Gonce | ... | on-set dresser |
Gabe Harrington | ... | set dresser |
Daphne Hayes | ... | buyer |
Lawrence Heap | ... | set decoration gang boss |
Jeff Houston | ... | utility |
Nicole LeBlanc | ... | assistant art director |
Jessie McMillion | ... | lead greens |
Paul Miller | ... | set dresser |
Ann-Ruffin Minarik | ... | assistant property (as Ann Minarik) |
Ruth Mitchell | ... | stand-by painter |
William Mitchell | ... | model maker |
David H. Nash | ... | construction coordinator |
William T. Reynolds | ... | prop maker |
Joseph Schmucker | ... | sign painter |
Trip Sheehan | ... | leadman |
Lee Smith | ... | prop maker |
Steven Smith | ... | construction utility |
Terry J. Smith | ... | general foreman (as Terry Smith) |
Shea Soutar | ... | paint foreman |
Joy Taylor | ... | property: Los Angeles |
Travis Trussell | ... | greensman (as Travis N. Trussell) |
David Mathew Weeks | ... | on-set dresser (as David Weeks) / set dresser (as David Weeks) |
Michael Gowen | ... | construction buyer (uncredited) |
Miles Logan | ... | prop assistant (uncredited) |
Sound Department
Laura Harris Atkinson | ... | dialogue editor |
Kerry Carmean-Williams | ... | sound effects editor (as Kerry Carmean Williams) |
Patrick Cusack | ... | dialogue editor |
Andrew DeCristofaro | ... | supervising sound editor |
Robert Deschaine | ... | adr mixer |
Nerses Gezalyan | ... | foley mixer |
Gary A. Hecker | ... | foley artist / supervising foley artist (as Gary Heckler) |
Dan Hegeman | ... | sound effects editor |
Michael Hertlein | ... | dialogue editor |
Tony Lamberti | ... | re-recording mixer |
Jason C. Lewis | ... | boom operator (as Jason Lewis) |
Gary Marullo | ... | foley artist |
Dave McMoyler | ... | co-supervising sound editor |
Michael Minkler | ... | re-recording mixer |
Matthew Nicolay | ... | sound mixer |
Michael Payne | ... | sound effects editor |
Mike Sansom | ... | sound utility |
Trevor Stott | ... | boom operator |
Greg Townsend | ... | assistant sound re-recording mixer / mix technician |
Tami Treadwell | ... | adr recordist |
Gayle Wesley | ... | first assistant sound editor |
Special Effects by
David Fletcher | ... | special effects coordinator |
John Galbreath | ... | special effects technician |
Brendan McHale | ... | special effects technician |
Scott Willis | ... | special effects technician (as Sparky Willis) |
Matthew Scurry | ... | special effects technician (uncredited) |
Visual Effects by
John Jenkinson | ... | roto artist: E3 Media |
Aaron McLane | ... | digital artist: E3 Media |
Ron San Agustin | ... | roto artist: E3 Media (as Ronald Sab Agustin) |
Blerime Topalli | ... | visual effects coordinator: E3 Media |
Ryan Wilmott | ... | digital tracker: E3 Media |
Stunts
Brent Bernhard | ... | stunts |
David Paul Lord | ... | stunts |
Anderson Martin | ... | stunt coordinator (as Andy Martin) |
Jay Pearson | ... | stunts |
Brian P. Todd | ... | stunts |
Michelle Brzenk | ... | stunt double: Frances O'Conner (uncredited) |
Erik Thirsk | ... | stunt double: Ray Stevenson (uncredited) |
Camera and Electrical Department
Paul C. Babin | ... | camera operator (as Paul Babin) |
Clyde E. Bryan | ... | first assistant camera: "b" camera |
Tom Burke | ... | electrician (as Tom 'Crusher' Burke) |
Jason Burnside | ... | technocrane technician |
Pam Connor | ... | grip |
Harve Cook | ... | video assist |
Courtney Drewes | ... | second assistant camera: "b" camera |
Jordan Francais | ... | rigging electrician |
Christopher R. French | ... | grip / key rigging grip |
Terrance Gaskin | ... | rigging electrician (as Terrence Gaskin) |
Daniel R. Haizlip | ... | best boy grip (as Daniel 'D.J.' Haislip) |
Matthew Horn | ... | film loader |
Michael Howell | ... | technocrane operator |
Carl Johnson | ... | rigging gaffer |
Carl M. Johnson | ... | rigging best boy electrician (as Carl M. Johnson Jr.) |
Kareem Johnson | ... | rigging electrician |
Barry Markowitz | ... | camera operator |
Christopher L. Miller | ... | grip |
Denny Mooradian | ... | gaffer |
Nick Nelson | ... | electrician: base camp |
Leif W. Olsen | ... | electrician |
Daniel Pederson | ... | lighting technician |
Richard Plummer | ... | grip |
Charles Praileau | ... | grip (as Charles 'Rice' Praileau) |
Van Redin | ... | still photographer |
Steven Search | ... | first assistant camera: "a" camera |
Billy Sherrill | ... | key grip |
Alexander G. Smith | ... | electrician (as Alexander Smith) |
John Stephens | ... | dolly grip: "a" camera (as John 'Sparky' Stephens) |
Cris Toebben | ... | generator operator |
Troy Toebben | ... | best boy set lighting |
Mike Torino | ... | second assistant camera: "a" camera |
Frederick Scott Trimble | ... | dolly grip: "b" camera |
Breyaan Bolling | ... | lighting technician (uncredited) |
Scott Jolliff | ... | lighting technician (uncredited) |
Casting Department
Shay Griffin | ... | casting: Georgia (as Shay Bentley Griffin) |
Patrick Ingram | ... | extras casting: Eztras Casting Atlanta |
Elaine Smith | ... | casting assistant: Georgia |
Nathan M. Wright | ... | extras casting assistant (as Nathan Wright) |
Patty Connolly | ... | adr voice casting (uncredited) |
Patrice Jackson | ... | location casting assistant (uncredited) |
Mark Sussman | ... | adr voice casting (uncredited) |
Costume and Wardrobe Department
Shayne Allen Duhon | ... | costumer |
Amber Dykes | ... | costumer |
K. Drew Fuller | ... | key costumer |
Jeff Gillies | ... | tailor |
Keith G. Lewis | ... | assistant costume designer |
Gertrude Moore | ... | tailor (as Gertrude 'Gigi' Moore) |
Ángela Núñez | ... | key costumer: Los Angeles (as Angela Nunez) |
Carol Sadler | ... | costume supervisor (as Carol Ann Sadler) |
Barbara Vazquez | ... | costumer |
Margaret Robbs | ... | set costumer (uncredited) |
Ruth Stansbury | ... | costumer (uncredited) |
Location Management
Mark Cottrell | ... | location manager |
Erin G. Fuller | ... | location scout (as Erin G. Fisher) |
Rob Pittard | ... | assistant location manager |
Kai Thorup | ... | key assistant location manager |
Matt Traylor IV | ... | location assistant |
Oliver Miles David | ... | assistant location manager (uncredited) |
Music Department
Teddy Andreadis | ... | musician (as Teddt Andreadis) |
J.D. Andrew | ... | music editor |
Rick Clark | ... | music supervisor |
Banks Easterling | ... | musician |
Jessy Greene | ... | musician |
Spark Hatfield | ... | musician |
Daryl Johnson | ... | musician |
Lloyd Mortimer Owen | ... | musician |
Jaime Reynolds | ... | music consultant: Music Supervisor, Inc |
Trish Thompson | ... | Music supervision: Musical equipment loan |
Script and Continuity Department
Carol A. Compton | ... | script clearances: IndieClear (as Carol Compton) |
Anne Rapp | ... | script supervisor |
Transportation Department
Van Lee Anderson | ... | driver |
Ty Ashworth | ... | driver |
John A. Brubaker | ... | transportation co-captain |
Roxie Caswell | ... | driver (as Roxie Scott Caswell) |
Bobbie Collis | ... | driver |
Terry Collis | ... | transportation coordinator |
Tracy Craytor | ... | driver (as Tracy 'TC' Crayton) |
Terry E. Dent | ... | driver |
David Foster | ... | driver (as Dave Foster) |
John Garner | ... | driver (as John L. Garner) |
Russell Hanson | ... | driver (as Russell J. Hanson Jr.) |
Forrest Hardeman | ... | driver |
Kevin Hargrove | ... | driver |
Edward Harper | ... | driver (as Eddie Harper) |
Barbara Hopkins | ... | driver |
Linda 'Lil' Johnston | ... | driver |
Carlos Mattox | ... | driver |
Brandon Mullen | ... | driver |
Gayle Rawlins | ... | driver (as Gayle P. Rawlins) |
Wayne Ray | ... | driver |
Niu Sale | ... | driver (as Niu V. Sale) |
Kim Scandrick | ... | driver (as Kimberly Scandrick) |
Darrell Scott | ... | driver |
Jake Smith | ... | transportation captain |
Royce Taffer | ... | driver (as Royce Taffar) |
Gary Weatherford | ... | driver (as Gary Tyson Weatherford) / driver |
Kathleen Webster | ... | driver |
John Wiese | ... | property picture car coordinator (as John William Wiese) |
Ronald C. Young | ... | driver |
Jack Prince | ... | camera car driver (uncredited) |
Darrell Scott | ... | picture cars (uncredited) |
David Carlton White | ... | picture car coordinator (uncredited) |
Additional Crew
Mario Aguirre | ... | chef |
Gaytra Arnold | ... | second assistant accountant (as Gaytra D. Arnold) |
Ashley Barrientos | ... | animal wrangler: dogs, Atlanta Dogworks |
Rachael Barrientos | ... | animal wrangler: dogs, Atlanta Dogworks |
Greg Bernstein | ... | legal services (as Greg S. Bernstein) |
Veronica Bocanegra | ... | executive assistant: Mr. Brubaker |
Sean Bryan | ... | office production assistant |
Celena Shackelford Cater | ... | studio teacher |
Pamela Chizema | ... | first assistant accountant (as Pamela N. Chizema) |
Penny Cook | ... | set production assistant |
Sharon L. Craig | ... | production accountant (as Sharon Craig) |
Alana Crow | ... | business and legal affairs |
Michelle 'Mimi' Davis | ... | office production assistant |
Derron Delaney | ... | medic |
Sagar Desai | ... | set production assistant |
Leah Faircloth | ... | accounting clerk |
Veronica M. Fultz | ... | production secretary |
Jennifer Hackney | ... | set production assistant: basecamp (as Jennifer P. Hackney) |
Christopher Hamilton | ... | craft service assistant |
Mike Holtz | ... | executive assistant: Mr. Kosinski |
Kristin Scott Irving | ... | executive assistant: Mr. Thornton (as Kristin Irving) |
Stacy Ivers | ... | unit publicist: Ivers Communications |
Carmen K. Jones | ... | assistant production coordinator |
Natalie Kaplan | ... | executive assistant: Mr. Bespalov |
Ashley Kravitz | ... | rights and clearances: Cleared By Ashley |
Michael Kupisk | ... | development executive |
William Lebeda | ... | title designer: Picture Mill |
Chasity Lowe | ... | medic |
Paul Lowe | ... | medic |
Kamisha McCullough | ... | second assistant accountant |
Marcia McIntyre | ... | office production assistant (as Marcia M. McIntyre) |
David Midgen | ... | title producer: Picture Mill |
Cheryl Miller | ... | production coordinator (as Cheryl A. Miller) |
Eric Min | ... | International Sales |
Susan Muir | ... | completion bond guarantor |
Rex Peterson | ... | head horse trainer |
Joel Rivas | ... | chef assistant (as Joel B. Rivas) |
Benito Romo | ... | chef assistant |
Katya Shneyderova | ... | executive assistant: Mr. Rodnyansky |
Beatrice Simmons | ... | craft service (as Beatrice 'Ms. B' Simmons) |
Jeremy Smith | ... | office production assistant |
Joe Steele | ... | product placement: Center Stage Entertainment Marketing |
Daniel Strider | ... | set production assistant: background (as Danielle Netzinger) |
Cari Swanson | ... | wrangler |
Carol Tresan | ... | animal coordinator / animal wrangler: dogs, Atlanta Dogworks |
Greg Tresan | ... | animal coordinator |
Jorge Trujillo | ... | chef assistant |
Christopher Wade | ... | payroll accountant (as Chris Wade) |
Jennifer Wang | ... | office production assistant |
Eric Williams | ... | key set production assistant |
Cameron Arguelles | ... | quality control (uncredited) |
Teall Barnes | ... | eBook producer (uncredited) |
Jennifer R. Blake | ... | adr loop group (uncredited) |
Bryce Colquitt | ... | assistant to producer (uncredited) |
Blake Edward Frahm | ... | titles coordinator (uncredited) |
Laura Geucherian | ... | digital intermediate technical producer (uncredited) |
Larry Gilbert | ... | police security (uncredited) |
Adam Hamilton | ... | stand-in (uncredited) |
Daniel Kepler | ... | main titles: production coordinator (uncredited) |
Melissa Voyagis Langham | ... | epk producer (uncredited) |
Renée Leventis | ... | additional set production assistant (uncredited) |
Nan McCulloch | ... | food stylist (uncredited) |
Nancy Minkler | ... | adr loop group (uncredited) |
Heidi Brook Myers | ... | adr loop group (uncredited) |
Eric Packham | ... | stand-in (uncredited) / stand-in: Billy Bob Thornton (uncredited) |
Robert Severance | ... | police security (uncredited) |
Frank Sharp | ... | adr loop group (uncredited) |
D.A. Sims | ... | stand-in: utility male (uncredited) |
Michael C. Smith | ... | security coordinator (uncredited) |
Winford Warren | ... | adr loop group (uncredited) |
Thanks
Jill Jane Clements | ... | the producers wish to thank |
Sharon Corbitt | ... | the producers wish to thank |
Kenny Cresswell | ... | the producers wish to thank |
John Curran | ... | the producers wish to thank |
Bruce Hampton | ... | thanks |
Bob Harvey | ... | the producers wish to thank |
Tippi Hedren | ... | the producers wish to thank |
Dylan Kussman | ... | the producers wish to thank |
Martin Torres | ... | special thanks |
Tim Ware | ... | the producers wish to thank |
Joani Yarbrough | ... | the producers wish to thank |
Production Companies
Distributors
- Anchor Bay Films (2013) (United States) (theatrical)
- Benelux Film Distributors (2013) (Netherlands) (theatrical)
- A-Film Benelux MSD (2013) (Netherlands) (Blu-ray)
- A-Film Benelux MSD (2013) (Netherlands) (DVD)
- Aldamisa Releasing (2013) (United States)
- Eagle Entertainment (2012) (Australia) (DVD)
- Film1 (2014) (Netherlands) (tv) (limited)
- GEM Entertainment (2016) (Non-US)
- Noori Pictures (2014) (South Korea)
- Zon Audiovisuais (2013) (Portugal)
Special Effects
- E3 Media (visual effects)
Other Companies
- Atlanta Dogworks (animal wranglers: dogs)
- Center Stage Entertainment Marketing (product placement)
- Chapman/Leonard Studio Equipment (camera dollies)
- Cleared by Ashley (rights and clearances)
- Deluxe Entertainment Services (digital intermediate)
- Extras Casting Atlanta (extras casting)
- Film Finances (completion guaranty provided by)
- Film Finances (film completion guarantor)
- Fintage CAM (collection account management)
- Gypsy Grips Inc. (grip equipment provided by)
- Hollywood Trucks (entertainment transportation)
- IndieClear (clearances)
- Ivers Communications (unit publicist)
- Mario's Motion Picture Catering (catering)
- Movie Movers (cast trailers)
- Movie Movers (hair and makeup trailer)
- Movie Movers (office trailer)
- Movie Movers (star trailers)
- Movie Movers (transportation)
- PC&E Atlanta (chapman camera dollies provided by)
- Paskal Lighting (electric equipment provided by)
- Picture Mill (main titles designed by)
- Pivotal Post (editing equipment: Avid HD)
- Sessions Payroll Management (extras payroll services)
- Soundelux (sound editorial services provided by)
- Swanson Peterson Productions (animal wranglers: horse trainers)
- Tax Credit Funding (tax credit financing)
- Todd-AO Studios (sound mixing services provided by)
- Trevanna Post (post-production accounting)
- Visual Data Media Services (trailer mastering)
Storyline
Plot Summary |
A young man (Robert Duvall) in the 1940s raises a family in Alabama after his wife (Tippi Hedren) leaves him for an Englishman (John Hurt) and moves to England. When the wife dies, she leaves a request to be brought back to Alabama to be buried, and at that point, the man hasn't seen her in nearly thirty years. The two families, her original family she abandoned, and her English family, meet and make an attempt to adjust to each other, with uneven results. Written by alfiehitchie |
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Box Office
Opening Weekend United States | $9,320, 15 Sep 2013 |
Did You Know?
Trivia | Mariska Hargitay (the daughter of Jayne Mansfield), who was in the back seat when the crash killed her mother, said that she found the name of this movie "horrible" and wished they had asked her permission to use this title beforehand. See more » |
Goofs | Alabama did not issue front license plates in 1969. The numbers shown are not correct for Alabama plates. See more » |
Movie Connections | Referenced in Dmitry Kharatyan/Ekaterina Skulkina (2013). See more » |
Soundtracks | Evil Woman (Don't Play Your Games With Me) See more » |
Quotes |
Skip Caldwell:
I just want to fly up there - in the quiet and still. I was a navy pilot. How 'bout that? It wasn't quiet and still though. It was loud and crazy and scary. But you went up every time you were supposed to. Did what you were supposed to do. And I went up with three minds. One mind was always thinking, "One way or the other, I'm gonna get back. I'm gonna make it back." And then another mind was always thinking, "This is probably gonna be the last day of my life." And then your third mind was right down the middle, and didn't think about anything. It wouldn't let the other two in. Skip Caldwell: You know, people say they don't like to talk about war because it brings up the bad memories and nightmares and everything. I don't believe that. I believe they don't talk about it because nobody wants to hear it. See more » |