The West Wing (1999–2006)
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When an admittedly weak gun-control bill the White House has been backing turns out to be five votes short of House passage, Josh makes deals and threats to several Democratic reps, while ... See full summary »

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... Sam Seaborn
... Mandy Hampton
... Charlie Young
... C.J. Cregg
... Toby Ziegler
... Leo McGarry
... Josh Lyman
... Jed Bartlet
... Congressman Cal Tillinghouse
... Congressman Mark Richardson
... Donna Moss
... Congressman Christopher Wick
... Rep. Katzenmoyer
... Jenny McGarry
... Leela
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When an admittedly weak gun-control bill the White House has been backing turns out to be five votes short of House passage, Josh makes deals and threats to several Democratic reps, while Leo appeals to Hoynes for help. Elsewhere, while working the bill, Leo misses his anniversary, which he tries in vain to atone for, but eventually his wife Jenny decides to leave him. Written by meebly

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While President is high on his back pills, he tells his aide Charlie that "Charlie's a great name." Martin Sheen, who plays President Bartlet, named his youngest son "Carlos" but nicknamed him "Charlie". See more »

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While talking about financial disclosure near the beginning of the show, Toby makes the remark that women can't get enough of his 1993 Dodge Dart. Dodge stopped making the Dart in 1976, and didn't resurrect the model again until 2013. See more »

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Josh Lyman: You know, I'm so sick of Congress, I could vomit.
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Referenced in Spise med Price: En ristet med det hele (2013) See more »

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West Wing Main Title
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Written by W.G. Snuffy Walden
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What he pays me for.
15 April 2011 | by See all my reviews

This episode endeared me more to the characters. I love how they fight so hard for a bill that they know isn't even what they really want, because they have to save face and get what they can. Just seems so fruitless, its hard not to feel for them. Then they don't even get to enjoy what little victory there would've been thanks to Hoynes(really speaks to how upset Leo was that he would still go to the VP's AA meeting after that). I swear, after five minutes in politics I wouldn't have a single strand of hair left to yank out in frustration. Just makes me wish they could get a real solid win. And as Josh said,

"Sam, LBJ never would've taken this kind of crap from Democrats in congress. He would've said, 'you're voting my way in exchange for which I might remember you name, pal'."

I wish the other dems. would just get behind their administration. They've made it clear that Bartlet does what he wants whether that goes against party politics or not, but he also always does what he thinks is right. That's better than a Pres. who does something he knows or feels is wrong just because it's what is expected from a democrat. As when Leo is telling Rev. Al in the first episode that Bartlet went around the country trying to convince teen girls not to get abortions, I strongly disagree with that, but I respect him for not acting like a machine that just spits out a leftist's agenda. Josh's meetings with Katzenmoyer and Wick were great though,

"President Bartlet's a good man. He's got a good heart. He doesn't hold a grudge...that's what he pays me for."

"You know, I realize as an adult not everyone shares my view of the world, and with an issue as hot as gun control I'm prepared to accept a lot of different points of view as being perfectly valid, but we can all get together on the grenade launcher! Right?"

Leo's personal stuff brought the episode down a little, just never cared for romantic relationships in my dramas, but the in office scenes were great. Coming off the excellence of A Proportional Response might have also taken some of the shine off this one, but there really are no bad episodes of Sorkin's West Wing.


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