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That Was Then... This Is Now

  • 1985
  • R
  • 1h 42m
IMDb RATING
6.1/10
2.8K
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Emilio Estevez and Craig Sheffer in That Was Then... This Is Now (1985)
Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless.
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Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless.Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless.Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless.

  • Director
    • Christopher Cain
  • Writers
    • S.E. Hinton
    • Emilio Estevez
  • Stars
    • Emilio Estevez
    • Craig Sheffer
    • Larry B. Scott
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    6.1/10
    2.8K
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    • Director
      • Christopher Cain
    • Writers
      • S.E. Hinton
      • Emilio Estevez
    • Stars
      • Emilio Estevez
      • Craig Sheffer
      • Larry B. Scott
    • 33User reviews
    • 9Critic reviews
    • 45Metascore
  • See production info at IMDbPro
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    Emilio Estevez
    Emilio Estevez
    • Mark Jennings
    Craig Sheffer
    Craig Sheffer
    • Bryon Douglas
    Larry B. Scott
    Larry B. Scott
    • Terry Jones
    Matthew Dudley
    • Curly Shepard
    Jill Schoelen
    Jill Schoelen
    • Angela Shepard
    Kim Delaney
    Kim Delaney
    • Cathy Carlson
    Barbara Babcock
    Barbara Babcock
    • Mrs. Douglas
    Frank Howard
    Frank Howard
    • M & M Carlson
    Morgan Freeman
    Morgan Freeman
    • Charlie Woods
    Francis X. McCarthy
    Francis X. McCarthy
    • Mr. Carlson
    • (as Frank McCarthy)
    Diane Dorsey
    • Mrs. Carlson
    Ramon Estevez
    Ramon Estevez
    • Mike Chambers
    • (as Ramon Sheen)
    David Miller
    • Punk
    Steven Pringle
    • Dirty Dave
    Robert Swan
    Robert Swan
    • Smitty
    • (as Bob Swan)
    John O'Brien
    • Snob
    Paul M. Lane
    Paul M. Lane
    • Paul
    • (as Paul Lane)
    Brooks Gardner
    Brooks Gardner
    • Tim Shepard
    • Director
      • Christopher Cain
    • Writers
      • S.E. Hinton
      • Emilio Estevez
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    User reviews33

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    sal-34

    Decent flick in-and-of itself, if you're not a fan of The Outsiders...

    Only thing wrong with this movie-- the decision to "update" the story to make it contemporary. Some novels lend themselves to that kind of reinterpretation easily, but S.E. Hinton's early works aren't among them. The book, set in the late 60s, was essentially a follow-up to "The Outsiders," picking up a few months after its TV Series left off. The character of Ponyboy was taken out of this film for obvious reasons (why would he still be 16 in 1985?), but other Outsiders (most notably Tim Shepard) remained intact without aging a day-- effectively destroying any continuity it might have had with the film it was undoubtedly cashing in on. As result of this questionable rewrite, the novel's focus on the greaser/soc conflict dying off is completely absent, as are other time period-specific subplots. Perhaps the filmmakers wanted this to stand on its own from Coppola's then-recent "Outsiders" adaptation, but this likely hurt "That Was Then...This Is Now" in more ways than it helped it.
    lansorme

    Fails to do the book justice

    This is a very poor adaption of one of S.E. Hinton's best novels. The characterizations are quite off the mark, and there is little to no development of situations and characters. Periodically the viewer is thrown into really weak attempts at "deep", philosophical dialogue from out of nowhere - straight out of the book but oddly out of place in this disjointed film.

    The acting is not much better. Only Frank Howard (as M&M) and Morgan Freeman (as Charlie) really make their roles believable. Emilio Estevez, perhaps due to the script itself, never makes Mark the character he needs to be to actually propel the story in the right direction.

    All I can make of this film is an attempt at grabbing the same attention as "The Outsiders", another (and much better) film adaption of a S.E. Hinton novel. Both books/films have a few characters in common, some similar themes, and Emilio Estevez. "That was then..." just doesn't work out.
    pbarron-1

    "The movie was okay, but the book was better"

    In English class, we read S.E. Hinton's saga of teenage angst. The students were enthralled with the story. While the setting was from years past, the ethical questions raised and the teenage situations were quite apropos. The story generated a great deal of quality discussion in class...education at it's finest.

    The movie, however, was a bit of a disappointment for us. Taken by itself, it was a fine example of 80's brat-packish fluff. It was formulamatic, but entertaining. One could hardly say that the movie was based on the book, though. Bryon's personal growth journey and coming of age, so well illustrated in the novel, was sacrificed to car chases and Hollywood's penchant for tidy endings, in the movie.

    While I would recommend both, I would caution that they are two separate stories, sharing the same character names. Perhaps there is the lesson: You cannot watch the movie to get out of reading the book! .
    DunnDeeDaGreat

    One of Estevez's best early performances

    That Was Then... This Is Now is one of the best early performances of Emilo Estvez as a writer and actor. Estevz brings Mark to life they way S.E.Hinton intened by being brutal and cut throat in his performace. All of the actors in the film give equally good performacnes in particular Morgan Freemen and Craig Sheffer. A underlooked gem.
    6bkoganbing

    What some kids carry around.

    That Was Then, This Is Now is the story of two working class youths who look like they are on a street to nowhere in their lives.

    After his parents killed themselves, Emilio Estevez is taken in by his best friend Craig Sheffer and his mom Barbara Babcock. The two of them get in all kinds of trouble. But Sheffer is starting to think that may be if I grow up their just might be a future for him.

    Estevez is carrying a lot around, many of us do and we react to it in different ways. Estevez is on the road to career criminality. He gets involved in deeper and deeper and threatens to bring Sheffer in with him if Sheffer does not heed the better angels of his nature.

    The key scene is when we learn as Estevez confides to Scheffer just what it is he's carrying inside. Some of the best acting in both their careers.

    Hollywood has done very well with S.E. Hinton novels. That Was Then This Is Now is right up there with Tex, Rumblefish. and The Outsiders. This one managed to get done without Matt Dillon.

    I recommend it highly.

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    • Trivia
      Emilio Estevez's original script followed the book's ending more closely. Paramount Pictures executives forced Estevez to re-write the ending to be more "optimistic" and "realistic".
    • Goofs
      In just about every scene where a bus is involved, it's bus #461.
    • Quotes

      Mark Jennings: Let's move out... Teabag!

    • Connections
      Referenced in The Children of Times Square (1986)
    • Soundtracks
      Born Alone
      Written by Scott Lipsker & Mike Kapitan

      Performed by Kipp Lennon

      Produced by Scott Lipsker & Mike Kapitan

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    • Release date
      • November 8, 1985 (United States)
    • Country of origin
      • United States
    • Language
      • English
    • Also known as
      • That Was Then This Is Now
    • Filming locations
      • Spanky's Saloon - 1066 7th St East - St. Paul, Minnesota, USA
    • Production companies
      • Media Ventures
      • Paramount Pictures
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    Box office

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    • Gross US & Canada
      • $8,630,068
    • Opening weekend US & Canada
      • $2,502,780
      • Nov 10, 1985
    • Gross worldwide
      • $8,630,068
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    • Runtime
      1 hour 42 minutes
    • Color
      • Color
    • Sound mix
      • Dolby Stereo
    • Aspect ratio
      • 1.85 : 1

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