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6/10
Interesting and Sad
ngc10417 February 2019
I have mixed feelings about his documentary. On the one hand, it is pretty clear that these folks are being presented as what they are - well meaning but maladjusted individuals who have bought into a down the rabbit hole idea with zero scientific support.

OTOH, it is also unfortunate to give exposure to such utterly bogus ideas. That is probably a disservice to the the rest of humanity.

As for me, I have been an amateur astronomer for over 30 years and can think of at least a half dozen simple tests that prove that the earth is indeed very round. Of course, presenting these to flat earthers would be a wast of time - if they cared about evidence, they would not be what they are.

In the end, the whole idea that such folks with such ideas even exist just made me sad.
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5/10
Very interesting capture of the psychology behind this phenomenon
Harhaluulo5427 July 2019
Basically flat earthers are just bunch of people who want to feel important and feel like they are part of something, something that unites them with other people. It's unfortunate that such biased and unaware people have to question factual information and challenge science with their fanfiction just to find a hobby and feel unalone, but it also shows us how raw humans function in this society where anything might as well be a conspiracy due to us living in an illogical clown world where more things are wrong than right. It's very important to note that all of this exists due to the faults of our societies where nihilism is the new way because old ways have left so many people down.

Overall, important documentary to watch and I specifically recommend this to religious people and other herd-mentality supporters who have yet to discover any layers of nihilism and become self-aware of their own faults. Watch this and start questioning your own beliefs because they might as well be even more problematic than flat-earthers'. Don't judge them, many people are exactly like this whole bunch without even realizing it, without being criticized and getting spit on because your "beliefs" are mainstream and supported by consensus. That's one thing these flat earthers got right. Just because majority believe in something doesn't mean it's true.
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5/10
It's not actually about the shape of the Earth
benembry-662863 March 2019
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Flat Earthers seem to be more attracted to belonging to a group of nonconformists than actually proving the world is flat.

My favorite part was near the end when Mark was in his room at the conference talking about the Truman Show. He contrasted Truman, who could escape because by the end he had nothing else to lose, and the town's mayor, who was sort of tied down by the trappings of life. And the director says "Aren't you like the mayor of Flat Earth?" And Mark, who has an answer for everything, was speechless.

Mark actually is trapped in Flat Earth. The notoriety is something he'd never allow himself to give up. If one day he was confronted with irrefutable proof of the planet's curvature, he wouldn't be able to accept it because he cannot walk away from this fame.

Therefore Mark ultimately doesn't want to know the truth. He has no interest in it because his life isn't about that anymore on a fundamental level.
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Documentary is centered around the cult, not the theory
tommy_tt25 February 2019
Came into this hoping to hear rational perspectives on flat-earth theory. What we get instead is an inside view of how cultists think and behave.

They believe they have discovered some grand truth that nobody else can see. Then they prescribe to the idea with such reckless conviction that they either outright reject any evidence that disproves their theory, or they contort it until it fits into their distorted view of reality. They then point at the rest of society and say that the truth will be revealed to us as long as we adopt their view of reality. And anyone who refuses to believe them suddenly becomes the enemy. At one point, they even go so far as to claim "it is a battle between good and evil." This all shares stark similarities with other cults, like Scientology.

This film makes it easy to see why some people fall prey to cults, it's a mechanism by which they can cope with their crushing feelings of insignificance in the world. Suddenly they belong to something "exclusive," something that brings them closer to other human beings (which is a struggle that many people face.) This is especially effective with flat-earthers since, by adopting this view, we all become the center of the universe.

I applaud Netflix for not outright ignoring or censoring pieces centered around pseudoscience. But at the same time I'm disappointed because, as is evident in this film, these folks feed off publicity like vultures and use it as a weapon to trap others into their cultist views. Notice how satisfied their "leader" gets when he realizes the media is actually giving attention to one of their conventions; and the way his eyes light up when he sees that a couple brought their kid to said convention was just downright disturbing.

The only thing I gained by watching this film was a stronger distaste for cults.
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7/10
This was NOT made by a flat-earther!
the_headspace30 October 2021
A lot of commentators here criticise the film for not providing evidence that the earth is flat, as if it were created as flat earth propaganda. It isn't. The film focuses on those people who spread the idea that the earth is flat, in a more sociological sense. Attempts are made to explain why reasonably intelligent people might believe something that is patently nonsensical. The point is that there is no proof that the earth is flat, because the earth isn't flat. But people believe it, anyway. Who are these people, what exactly do they believe, and what motivates them? These are the questions the film asks. It has a wider theme of the increasing rejection of science and scientific expertise that Trump has made much more acceptable with large sections of society nowadays, and which social media facilitates. So no, don't expect this film to provide pro flat-earth evidence. There isn't any (the last 5 minutes are hilarious). The film wasn't made to do that.
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7/10
Very funny and well-balanced!
geddy__lee19 June 2022
I first thought the movie was a mockumentary, like some other reviewers did. Then it occured to me (as a conspiracy, of course!) that it might be a subliminal recruitment video, courtesy of Mark Sargent.

Luckily, it is a solid, well-made document which calmly and patiently explores the "subject" without taking sides, obviously. The whole crazy idea of a movement that follows the unproven concept of flat Earth is just preposterous enough to be a good subject for some follow-up films. Never enough documenting unfathomable stupidity!
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7/10
Fascinating documentary
nottelmann20 February 2019
The key virtue of this fim is showing us flat-earthers as fairly normal people going about their daily life. Surely, we also get briefly to see some stereotypical conspiracy nuts screaming absurd rants into a web cam or practising weird habits like juggling pingpong balls with sledge hammers while reciting the periodic table. But those are not the characters carrying the film. Rather we follow a couple of close friends, that seem fairly normal and likeable apart from their weird cosmological theories. As we get into their daily habits, their characters, their hopes and their lifestory, the real drama of this film is their ostentatious normality. Sure enough they seem blind to obvious counter-evidence and are inclined to motivated reasoning. But those are merely standard vices in exaggerated form, They are not vicious, unintelligent, or very pathological in their reasoning patterns. Rather they show great affection for each other and considerable kindness and social skill in maneuvering the unruly flatearth community. They are self-reflective and engaged individuals. Their possible tragic backgrounds, sexual problems, and religious obsessions are hinted at, but never allowed to take center stage. The viewer is left to wonder how the belief systems of such fairly ordinary people could pervert on such a drastic scale. This is the engaging mystery presented by their normalcy. The reviewers protesting that following those people around is merely a bore seemingly miss the key point of this film. It would be so easy to vilify flatearthers en masse, having scientific authorities point out their fallacies and blaming their ignorance. Then all we normal people could safely go back to sleep, convinced that nobody near us is vulnerable to such mental corruption. After this film we can't! If those people could become flatearthers, perhaps our friendly neighbours also could? perhaps they already are?

The film also has its moments of absurd and dark humor. The main protagonists trust heliocentric cosmology enough to drive hundreds of miles to witness a solar eclipse predicted by it. But once at the correct location, they use the opportunity to spread flatearth geocentric propaganda. Also, while distrusting the heliocentric account of the eclipse on complex (pseudo)-scientific grounds, they happily offer in its stead the childish alternative that the Sun simply hides itself, because it sure looks that way! And any purported counter-evidence produced by directing binoculars at the sky is explained away is either a hoax or simply part of The Great Presentation. In another laughable scene the main character refuses to recognize any direct flight routes on the Southern Hemisphere, despite the fact that e.g. several flights leave Cape Town for Sydney every day. The directors wisely choose to let this absurdity play out without interference or raised fingers, thus recogmizing that for someone so deeply distrustful, such blame is ineffecutal anyway.

In a funny way, some of the portrayed flatearthers to al arge degree exhibit the very virtues that led to modern science: Rather than accepting anything on blunt authority they hanker for explanations they can understand and evaluate by their own mental powers. Also they are willing to sacrifice anything else in pursuit of such understanding. But without any sufficient education, with no outside checks, and left to the ruthless social dynamics of modern internet life, however, such virtues are quickly eclipsed by the vices of narrowness, paranoid suspicion and confirmation bias. This holds a crucial lesson to anyone interested in scientific education policy, and the sociology of belief.
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10/10
Hilarious look at the conspiracy theorist community
Nebz22 February 2019
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I loved this documentary. It let's the conspiracy theorists speak for themselves and present their own views. It shows how the flat earth community turns on each other and claim each other are CIA operatives or reptilian disguised as humans in order to fool them.

Like all conspiracy theorists, these self described smart people make sure the only people they associate with all hold the same viewpoints to make sure they don't have people disagreeing with them and pointing out their errors.

Funny moments include one conspiracy theorist giving an interview from his trailer park talking about how people think conspiracy theorists are losers who live in their moms basement. The video cuts to the flat earth leader who lives with his mom.

Conspiracy theorists spend $20,000 on a fancy gyroscope to prove the earth doesn't rotate 15 degrees an hour. Spend even more time trying to figure out why the gyroscope keeps saying the earth is rotating 15 degrees an hour. They forget they are mic'ed for the documentary and privately tell each other not to bring up the gyro anymore since it shows 15 degree rotation.

Conspiracy theorists shoot a laser a fair distance to show when aimed level it hits the target at the same elevation. Unfortunately for them, the light goes 15 feet above the mark. They make up an excuse that there must have been weeds or something in the way.

Overall, the video does a great job showing the lengths these people go to in order to reinforce and hold on tight to their beliefs, while not making fun of them but simply letting them shoot themselves in the foot over and over.
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6/10
Interesting, but drags a lot.
AristarchosTheArchivist16 February 2019
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Spoiler: the Earth is not flat :)

Some people don't seem to get it - in the middle (gyroscope) and at the end (laser) it is shown how by scientific method, the Flat Earthers disprove their hypothesis themselves, but then - unscientifically - distrust their experiment for the sake of dogma.

The documentary itself is not uninteresting, as you can see various Flat Earthers in their habitat.

If you read between the lines, a different story unfolds: My two cents on it: Some way off person does some youtube videos about Flat Earth - this is taken over by some CIA operation which hides in plain sight ("Patri-cia Steer"), to lure in anti-government but gullible people with lack of purpose, isolating the originator of the youtube flat earth movement in the process (whose ramblings about it are probably true, but who would believe this guy, he still thinks the earth is flat!). Pure genius, if true. I can't prove it, but if I were CIA, I'd do it exactly like that. This serves to ridicule actual criticism on other topics - who can take those people seriously who think that the Earth is flat?

Only watch it if you really are interested in conspiracy theories.
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1/10
GPS
waderobins19 March 2019
One of the most ironic parts is when they used a Global Positioning Satellite technology to navigate to the NASA museum.
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8/10
Not trying to convince you
greshark25 February 2019
I feel like a lot of the reviews here are coming from the viewpoint that this is a documentary about why the earth is flat. The reality is that this is a documentary about the people who hold and share this belief.

It doesn't explicitly, in-your-face tell you that these people are misguided. Through its editing of following the flat earth believers and cutting to real knowledge from both scientists & psychologists it helps to build a better understanding of why these people are the way that they are.

I would say this is half a documentary about the flat earthers themselves, and the other half is about building an understanding of why people in general can manage to hold any such belief about conspiracies. It explains how their minds work and why it works that way, while following a real group who operates within those parameters to illustrate it.
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7/10
Very difficult to watch
tyldak15 February 2019
This documentary spends 90% of its time letting Flat Earthers present their completely inaccurate "facts", without providing a single bit of reality to the claims. Their insane conspiracy theories are interrupted only briefly by the occasional 1-2 sentence input from actual experts, usually giving variations of explanations of the Dunning Kruger affect.

The vast majority of what is in this, can be viewed on the Youtube channels of the various Flat Earthers. The film does more to support Flat Earthers, than to show the realities of the situation, and that is disturbing. I fully expect that this is going to drive additional people to believe this nonsense, and that's a problem.
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4/10
The real scientists were the only interesting thing.
gazzalodi23 February 2019
It's too bad they didn't spend more time going back and forth and letting the guys from NASA, Caltech, etc... explain in more detail the errors in the subjects ideas. I was hoping for more than just soundbites from them.

I have to admit I turned it off before halfway though, so it might have came later.

The forty year old guy living with his mom, the dude with the 'brain coach' and the cat lady were just too pathetic to keep dealing with. When the cat lady and mom's roommate got together I checked out.

Now I need to go watch Cosmos to rinse them out of my brain.
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Is it flat?
almir_hucic13 March 2019
No it's not... LMAO. I thought it was documentary but after half an hour I realised that this is actually comedy!
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6/10
Lost for words
thorhallur197911 April 2019
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This mystery was solved when the accent Greek claimed the earth was round and that was on the 6th century BC and these were wise men. But Now some clearly not so smart people want to claim that the earth is flat and it is all some scam to keep us in a Truman scheme movie. It is beyond any rational explanation, but these people are not rational they don't see reason and common sense.

The best part of this movie is the rivalry between 2 egotistic maniacs arguing who is dumber and who was dumb first. For all humanity sake just drink the Kool-Aid already.
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7/10
One of the funniest things I've ever seen!
richyjwill26 February 2019
I laughed.. oh man.. I laughed so much! I'm not sure if it was meant to be funny or not. But it's one of the best "stand ups" on Netflix. Amy Schumer TAKE NOTES!

I rated it a 7 because I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a comedy. If it was labelled a comedy I would rate it a solid 9.
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7/10
I came to see how people could believe in this and the film help shed some light on that.
Mcduff360113 April 2021
Overall I would give this one a 6.5 instead of a 7 but that's the rating system we have.

This told mostly around the leaders of the flat earth movement and shows their lives as they navigate the world and their agenda. It delves into the world of flat earth which is a lot more organized than I had thought. It really centers around Mark sargent and his role in the flat earth society. Which isn't what I was hoping for.

What was well done I thought was how they just let the flat earth people talk and tell their side of things with a little bit of nudging through some questions but nothing that was overtly judgemental.

I found the most useful information in the interviews they did with the doctors and scientists. There is a segment that has a guy saying that these are failed scientists etc and we should be working with them to learn together instead of dismissing them as crazy people. I found this part of the doc well done and the reason I watched it. It had me thinking a little differently about these people by the end. Would recommend to anyone interested in the people behind flat earth.
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7/10
Which side is this doco on?
death-rocker15 March 2019
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I went into this not knowing whose side of the argument this doco would support. With such access to the Flat Earthers early on I assumed it would be their story and they would be discussing theories behind their beliefs. But it quickly turned into a mini love story and a doco about the personalities in the FE movement. I gave it a 7 as the subject matter is ludicrous but it did expose the FE movement for what it actually is.... A group created by misfits for misfits (with no science behind their beliefs, which they prove in many of their own expensive failed experiments).

And Patricia is definitely a reptilian 🤣
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9/10
This is not about just flat earthers!
wannolumpkiin8 March 2019
Through the subject of "flat earthers" this documentary illustrates how otherwise normal people get caught up in nonsense and continue to delude themselves.
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6/10
unsatisfied
toniann-6181514 May 2020
I was expecting the documentary to go into the logistics and details around the flat earth theory, therefore I would become educated about it. But instead the director focused more on the lives of infamous flat earthers, which I did not mind at all; I like to hear their personal opinions and how they became so infatuated with the phenomenon.
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8/10
A good insight into the con of flat earth
carewdamien17 February 2019
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Well, they proved the rotation of the earth and curvature themselves, and yet dismiss the results. It just shows that the top people involved in this cult are in it for the money, and quite prepared to take money from the gullible. They do not deserve the publicity, but this is a worth while look.
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7/10
I'm quite enjoying it.
matthewrynne3 February 2024
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Ok, so I start off as a scientific minded Globist. I have no problem with the earth being a globe but I had no idea how to prove it myself.

Ignoring the "evidence" from people who have not only crossed the poles but conducted measurements and experiments or those people who have been to space and back I was wondering how someone standing in the northern hemisphere could go about proving it was a globe or indeed flat. So I did a bit of research and have learned a few things. The Foucault Pendulum is a very interesting and simple place to start. As for the movie, It's well made and allows the 'stars' to reveal themselves in all their glory, intellectual failings and all. I particularly like the filmmakers focus on them using GPS to get to the flat earth conference. The Cognitive Dissonance was deafening.

So, if like me you would like to know how to prove or even find out the Earths shape this should inspire some interest in investigating.
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5/10
About 30 minutes too long given it's format
brianjohnson-2004324 February 2019
This documentary was fun for me to watch. It seemed to be from the perspective of the skeptics. But it gives the flat-earthers a lot more of the spotlight than the scientists. I was most impressed by the scientist who pointed out that there is a major issue today where people don't help people who don't get it when they're wrong. Instead they are made-fun-of or neglected. It takes a community to raise a child, and it also takes a community to abuse a child's sense of fundamental facts.

I'm surprised they never mentioned the string and globe measurements a person can make to confirm the earth is sphere-like. I remember doing them in my geography class. All you need Is a sting, tape, a globe and a ruler. Taping the string to one point in the globe and stretching it to another point, one can determine the approximate most direct route from one point on the globe to another. This route should be a segment of a great circle. Great circles split the earth perfectly in half, just like the equator.

There should be a scale on the globe describing how many miles there for every centimeter or inch on the globe. Next, if one just measures the distance of the string from one point to the other on the globe one can determine approximately how many miles it is between one point to another. One can check the flight speeds and distances from one point to another, and see if the plane flights correspond to these findings. FYI: They do. But go ahead and check yourself.

One could even go on a flight with a GPS and measure the speed and distance covered, and route taken on the plane. It should approximately match the findings one can get with the string experiment. Meanwhile one could take the string and a flat earth "model" and try to measure the distance and necessary speed to travel from one point to the other. Next, go ahead and see if the data better supports all the potential trips on a flat earth or sphere-like earth.

No one has to accept the earth is globe-like on faith. I'm glad the movie shows a few flat-earthers testing their beleif to problematic results at the very end. But I wish they had had more of stuff like that.
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A documentary about mental illness
gabrielmarineauplante20 March 2019
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Watch a man with beg for validation as he tries to prove he is right. Watch his rise to fame as the rest of his community prove themselves wrong but dismiss it in order to rally people to their cause. Watch a woman leave his mentally ill boyfriend to go live in London with another man. Watch a man get kicked out of Starbucks as he throws a temper tantrum, then watch him juggle with balls using hammers (quite impressive in fact) while he names all the states in the US. Watch all of that and more in this touching cry for help from a community that still struggles to have their psychiatric disorder recognized.
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6/10
No evidence
tmhughes76821 February 2019
There is no evidence presented for Flat Earth and none against, so it is a promotional video for certain YouTubers and podcasters. I would have like a 15 minute presentation outlining the pros and cons of the Flat Earth Theory.
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