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I'm giving this movie a 5 out of 10. Sorry to those that think every movie that doesn't win an Oscar deserves less than a 3 on a scale of ten. But seriously, why can't people be honest or think rationally anymore? I don't care how much this movie lacked, whether in acting or script, the feeling that I felt leaving the theater may not have left me in complete satisfaction, but I felt happy and good inside. Is there something wrong with just feeling good now? I understand where the criticism comes from, which is why I don't rate this higher. The script was all over the place; sometimes you didn't know what was going on or why. Tom Arnold was more annoying to watch than anyone else, the fact that Mainline scheduled no-name recreation centers for their opponents sounds unbelievable, Franklin's so called gangster status was unconvincing (not to mention seeing what he did to pool was disgusting), and even Terrence Howard sounded way too corny at times. But COME ON! This isn't a 1.7 out of ten kind of movie. Bernie Mac was hilarious for the first time in a while, the setting and music was very accurate and good, and the swimming scenes were real and believable. People need to think about what they saw before giving movies such bad reviews. It doesn't matter how bad some of the recent movies have been, but there are about 10 movies from the last two years in the bottom 100 movies of all time! WHAT? Be honest. Give some of these movies a chance. And for some of those who are wondering, I'm white, so I'm not "defending by race" either. I think this movie is somewhat worth it, definitely watchable and, although I would not recommend this overly, I think that someone could get a lot out of this movie.
"... marathon swimming is the most difficult physical, intellectual and
emotional battleground I have encountered, and each time I win, each
time I touch the other shore, I feel worthy of any other challenge life
has to offer." Diana Nyad
Pride is a cliché from the first frame to the end. But I can't change the truth on which these stereotypes were built. In 1974 Jim Ellis (Terrence Howard), a former swimmer now janitor, coaches a rag-tag, sand lot group of talented minorities from the Philadelphia Department of Recreation to state-wide championships in swimming by invoking PDR (pride, determination, resilience). Been there, done that in movies. Within the last year, several films were based on true stories told of coaches and players overcoming odds to become winners: Gridiron Gang, Glory Road, Coach Carter, and Invincible come to mind.
The difference from the usual fare is swimming, arguably not a strong sport for minorities. The real difference is Ellis, who slowly gains the trust of the lost young athletes at the local center. Ellis doesn't harangue like Bobby Knight or physically react like Woody Hayes; he just shows them how to swim precisely and focused while he also reinforces their need for education. Along the way, of course, is the hanging-about drug dealer/pimp with his alluring dollars and the nagging but attractive single mom, who reluctantly hooks up with Ellis.
All this usually formulaic film fiction-inspired-by-real events is made palatable by engaging actors and the spirit of this lovable coach, still working to this day, who never gave up on the students. Love and trustsounds like an effective combo even for nations.
You've seen it all before, but you won't be bored because the truth about hard work and love is romantic and enduring.
I am interested to know how involved Coach Ellis was with this film. I
am an African-American swimming coach as well; and I am delighted to
see Black swimming get this kind of exposure. However, there were some
technical aspects of the film relative to the swimming (the order of
events, the starter's pistol, the starters command, the coaching
instructions) that were not quite accurate.
Also, I thought Cheney State was a historically Black college. How was he the only Black swimmer on the team? I swam on a predominantly Black team during that era. We visited all-white venues. I do not remember any hostility. And we were traveling south of the Philadelphia area. I guess the tension was fictional and for theatrical purposes.
Lastly, the pulling at the heartstrings and tears were a little over the top. I guess the success of Oprah and chick flicks is precipitating this type of genre. I would have appreciated Bernie Mack's humor coming out a little more to balance the crying.
I'm surprised by some of the comments here. I'm white, I went to see
the movie this weekend, and I thought it was great.
Yes, there are some white characters that treat our heroes horribly. But that rang true for me. This was 1974 Philedelphia, after all. And racism is a horrid part of our past.
But all the characters, even our heroes, are flawed. And there are a couple African American characters who are more evil then any of the white characters are.
Furthermore, the entire point of the movie is that pride is something you have to earn. Before you can be proud of yourself, you have to earn it. This applies to everyone, no matter what your background.
Go see this movie for yourself and make up your own mind. Personally, I found it inspiring and well worth watching.
Pride is MUCH better than the 2.6 rating - yes, it does wear its heart
firmly on its sleeve, but a turkey it most definitely is not. We loved
Akeelah and the Bee last year and would put this in the same sense of
journey: the ad campaign and tag line should be:"The waves they created
changed their world forever..."
It does what sport movies should do - gives you the training, the sport, the lift. Of course you know the step by step play but that doesn't alter the fact that this is watchable.
I'm afraid I don't get the objections on ground of race - I would imagine being poor, black, and impoverished and the first in my sport in 1974 would be realistically unbelievably tough.
If you like your films to be about values - then is is definitely worth the view.
IMDb voters should be ashamed - this is not the worst film of all time by a long shot - or all our hearts dead?
Ignore the vote - and view with an open heart - we found it decent, inspiring, and all together a satisfying view.
Pride is about an African-American swim coach, Jim Ellis (Terrence
Howard), who rebuilds a swimming pool in a Philadelphia Recreation
center and starts an all-black swim team. Overall the acting is a
average and sometimes corny, but hey that's what happens when you hire
Tom Arnold and Bernie Mac to try to be serious actors. Terrence Howard
does a pretty good job as Jim Ellis, but he does cry a bit much.
The movie does not provide an accurate portrayal of swimming, however. No team with 5 swimmers can win a state meet as team because 5 people can't accumulate enough points even if they were to win every race they swam in. In a swim meet, there is a limit to how many events one person can swim in. Usually its 2 relays and 2 individual events. You get more points if you win an event but you still get points if you finish in like the top 8. If one swimmer from a school gets 1st place, and two swimmers from another school get 2nd and 3rd, then the school that had the 2nd and 3rd place swimmers, gets more points. A big team with a lot of swimmers will beat a small team, even if the small team has good swimmers, so the idea of PDR's small swim team beating a big swim team is not realistic.
I'm not sure how they did it in the 1970's but I doubt they used a gun to start a race. Also, not once did I see any times announced and that's what swimming is all about. Swimming is mainly an individual sport, with the exception of relays. They just put all the individual's points together from a school and make that team points. You swim to make your times better, and if the movie had times in it, then it would have been more authentic.
I did not live in the 1970's, so I don't know if girls swam against guys, but from my experience with swimming I found the idea that Willie (the black girl swimmer) beating all the guys in butterfly is unrealistic. The idea of a girl beating guys is not totally far-fetched. (Hey I know girls that are faster than me in certain events) But in the movie the last meet is supposed to be a state meet or a national meet or something like that, so the guys there are really fast and no girl, even if she is the fastest girl, can beat the fastest guys.
One part that was completely stupid, was in the 1st meet between Main Line and PDR when the white guy swimmer, kicked Hakim in the face during the 50 yard freestyle. Do you have any idea how difficult that would be? Go and try it. Get in a pool with lanes and tell your buddy to swim in the lane next to you and try and kick him after you do a flip turn. First off, to be able to reach the person next to you, both of you would have to swimming really close to the lane line, and most swimmers, when they are racing swim in the middle to avoid running into the lane lines. The part that makes it really hard is the fact that they did it after a flip turn. (For those of you who aren't swimmers that's when you swim into the wall do a somersault, push off the wall, and go back the other way) After a flip turn you are somewhat disoriented and I don't think you would be able to reach over and kick the guy swimming next to you.
The movie is inspiring, but it could have been a lot better if they had a more experienced director.
The fact that this movie has a 3.7 rating on IMDb is ridiculous. I
don't see how somebody could not like this movie. Why is racism in
early 70s Philadelphia unbelievable? How are Terrence Howard and Tom
Arnold not good in this movie? Terrence Howard as Jim Ellis is one of
the most inspirational coaches in any movie I've ever seen. The script
is better than some people say and every character is believable-some
more than others-but regardless. From the start of the movie all the
way to the end I was glued to the TV. Who cares if the movie is
"predictable": it's a TRUE story, OF COURSE IT'S PREDICTABLE. Some
people are ridiculous. Anybody that gives this movie lower than 7 stars
is obviously a complete moron. I'm giving this 10 stars because it damn
well deserves it.
Anybody who reads this comments prior to seeing the movie, don't believe a word they say: they're all wrong.
PRIDE does not open any new doors in the genre of film biopics of
teachers who raise the status of downtrodden students to the point of
genuine appreciation of self worth. The story has been told countless
times with different characters, both male and female, different races
(African American, Hispanic, Caucasian, etc), and different areas of
the United States. But despite the recurring similarity of
heart-on-the-sleeve stories such as this, PRIDE stands solidly on its
own merits, in part due to the well developed and written screenplay by
Kevin Michael Smith, Michael Gozzard, J. Mills Goodloe, and Norman
Vance Jr. based on the life and contributions to society of Jim Ellis,
in part due to the sensitive direction of Sunu Gonera, and in part due
to the fine cast. The idea behind the story may not be new, but PRIDE
is a fine example of the genre.
Opening in the 1960s we meet Jim Ellis (Terrence Howard) as a superior swimmer unable to use his gifts because of his race. Jump 10 years forward and Ellis has finished college as a math major and seeks to teach in Philadelphia, only to face racism again. Desperate for work he accepts a 'closing down' job at a condemned Philadelphia Recreation Center tended by downtrodden Elston (Bernie Mac) who resents Ellis' intrusion into his domain. Ellis restores the center's swimming pool and gradually initiates a swim team for troubled teens, young boys and a girl who are new to swimming and even newer to the thought that they can become someone important and rise out of their slum surroundings and influence of drug lords. With time Ellis teaches the team not only how to swim like champions, but also how to gain faith in themselves through PDR (Pride, Determination, Resilience), eventually winning a championship as a team of African Americans in a city still plagued by racism.
The cast is excellent: Terrence Howard once again proves he can create a character of complete credibility, completely immersing himself in a role with all of the subtle facilities of fine acting; Bernie Mac at last is given a serious role and rises to the level of Howard in skill; Kimberly Elise and Tom Arnold provide fine cameo roles. But one of the treasures of this film is the cast of young actors who seem so natural that they deserve special plaudits: Brandon Fobbs, Alphonso McAuley, Regine Nehy, Nate Parker, Kevin Phillips, and Evan Ross. Clint Eastwood's son Scott Reeves plays a pivotal role as a racist swimmer.
So despite the overexposure of stories such as this, PRIDE stands out as one of the best. It is a beautifully filmed and well-developed homage to a very worthy man and coach: PDR. Grady Harp
It's obvious that a lot of people giving PRIDE a "1" are reacting to the trailers and radio ads that make this movie come off as a "black vs. white" thang. In reality, the movie it self is much more nuanced and filled with universal themes. It's been said that the achievement in sport by people of color is responsible more than anything to bring a semblance of equality in America. In sports, it's mathematical. A strike is a strike, a touchdown's a touchdown no matter who throws it. PRIDE is worth supporting because it shines light on a real-life person who used sports to teach young kids there's a bigger world past the playground, and if you develop your talents you won't have to fall back on the race card to catch breaks. Pride is a solid sports flick with strong performances by all that will suffer because of some unimaginative and lazy marketing. If you like Terrence Howard or Bernie Mac or even Kimberly Elise, make this one worth your time. Otherwise, wait for the Mark Gastineau story.
This movie was the most inspiring movie that I has seen in a long time and for this man to take time out of his life to be so wonderful with these group of kids makes my heart feel really good. My kids swim for this gentleman and I really loves his techniques and my son also looks up to him as being his second father. I am so blessed that I came to this team. My niece whom also swims for him says that the most inspiring part of the movie was when they said "This is our house coach". In the future I want to see that my children or the other children that he is now coaching be there to see them in the Olympics and to have him right by there side to say that this is my coach who brought me here.
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