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17 out of 23 people found the following review useful:

It's true, the film version is miles better

Author: duder88 from Ireland
23 October 2004

Scum has been one of my favourite films for the past couple of years and ever since I first saw it I've wanted to see the original banned BBC version. I finally got the chance recently. It was with big anticipation that I viewed the '77 Scum but it turned out to be an anti-climax. I hate to say this, but I found it disappointing. It's more low budget than the remake and the production values aren't as good. It's shot on grainier film and it's somewhat more dark and murky. It has a more raw, gritty look to it and it's even more bleak and downbeat which obviously adds a lot to the overall atmosphere but it doesn't necessarily make it better. It's set in a different borstal that's even more squalid and claustrophobic than the one in the film. This makes this version less visually pleasant to look at. The pacing in this version is quicker. The pace in the film version was slower, which gave more room for character development.

A key difference between the two versions is Archer. Here he's played by David Threlfall, and I wasn't really all that impressed with his performance. I thought Mick Ford was outstanding in his interpretation of Archer. He really conveyed Archer's non-conformist,anti-establishment intellectual rebel streak. Threlfall doesn't succeed as well. Ford's Archer delighted in making life as hard as possible for the screws. Here Threlfall plays Archer far too glum and dour. His '70s footballer hairstyle and 'tache is also a major distraction. No disrespect to David Threlfall, but I preferred Mick Ford's portrayal. Overall, the quality of the acting is varied. It ranges from very good with the principal actors to poor with some of the lesser known actors in supporting roles. Ray Winstone is excellent in his debut. Phil Daniels is good but I thought he was better in the movie. He overdoes it a bit here. His performance in the film version was more subtle. He had better hair in the remake too.

The '79 Scum is still as shocking and graphic now as it was 25 years ago whereas this version is somewhat tame. Looking at it now it's hard to see what the Beeb was so upset about. The BBC version lacks the realism of the remake; the beatings aren't as convincing and the swearing here is minimal(It's surreal to see Ray 'Cahnt' Winstone say "Stuff 'em!" instead of "F**k 'em!"). Some of the most powerful sequences in the film version are done much less effectively here and have nowhere near as much impact. For instance, the scene where Archer talks to Mr Duke in the deserted common room while all the other cons are in chapel. In the movie, that scene is compelling. It works nowhere near as well here. The actor who played Duke in the scene was all wrong. He was too jovial. He almost had a smile on his face throughout it. As stated, the rape scene isn't as graphic here. Davis' trauma and his eventual suicide are also done much better in the movie. The cosh-sock scene and Carlin's ascension as the new Daddy are done pretty well here (despite the lack of F-words) but "Where's ya tool?" was much better in the movie. The biggest difference in this version is a subplot where Carlin asks another inmate to be his 'missus',which I find unconvincing and I don't think it really adds anything to the film. I'm glad it was dropped from the film version. One major complaint I had with this version was that an indescribably bad and totally inappropriate song was playing over the end credits.

It seems pretty unusual for a film to be remade using the same director and (mostly) the same cast but it's actually not unheard of for a director to remake their own film. Robert Rodriguez remade 'El Mariachi' as 'Desperado' and 'Heat' was a remake of Michael Mann's earlier TV film 'LA Takedown'. That's probably the best comparison. The theatrical Scum is Heat, the BBC version is LA Takedown.

Overall, the BBC version isn't as striking or powerful as the remake. The movie was grim but it still managed to be enjoyable. This version feels more depressing and it's not as entertaining. Maybe it would seem better if you hadn't seen the definitive '79 version. At best,it's an interesting curiosity. If you're a fan of the remake, it's advisable to lower your expectations before you watch this Scum. The film version is superior in every way.

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10 out of 13 people found the following review useful:

...Got ya tool?

Author: Matt Smith from Norwich, England
5 July 2000

Scum is a fabulously gritty borstal drama revolving around troublemaker Carlin (Winstone) and his campaign to do his time quietly. The menacing staff and inmates of the Borstal (young offenders prison) are frighteningly realistic and the whole film has the feel of a fly-on-the-wall documentary. Sporadic violence comes with no warning and the rape scene in the greenhouse is one of the most harrowing I have seen on film (may be cut in some versions). Full marks to Alan Clarke and Ray Minton for this beauty.

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6 out of 8 people found the following review useful:

Hail Alan Clarke....................... King of Realism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Author: mulhollandman from Ireland
5 February 2006

Scum was originally apart of a trilogy that writer Roy Minton and Director Alan Clarke thought of whilst they were making Funny Farm in 1975. It consisted three films that focused individually on Police training, Army Training and Borstal. They approached a number of backers however it was deemed to costly to make therefore the idea was cancelled. However one backer did put up the money for one of these to be made. Clarke and Minton immediately went for Scum.

The television version of Scum is probably the most famous TV movie to be made in great Britain. This is quite a feat because the vast majority of people will not have seen this TV movie. They will be more aware of the 1979 feature film version. Either way whatever one you see you will be left breathless and shocked at what unveils before our eyes over 78 mins this beautiful bounty runs.

The story is set in one of her majesties Borstals in which underage criminals are dealt with. The lynch pin in the story manifests itself in the form of Carlin played to perfection by the ever wonderful Ray Winstone. Whose arrival at the Borstal from day one sends reverberations around the Borstals corridors because of his previous status as the Daddy in his last Borstal. He arrives with two other inmates Davis and Angel. Davis is instantly the target of bullies and Angel is abused through racial taunts because he is black. They are instantly greeted with physical and verbal abuse from the warders. As the film opens we meet the other trainees (inmates) and we begin to realize that they are far from the criminal hooligans that we would expect them to be. They are lost and vulnerable. They are abused by the people that are there to look after them. In all this comes the supporting character Archer played by David Threfall. An intellectual anarchist whose hours are passed pretending to be vegetarian and not wearing leather shoes on his feet. The Warders are portrayed as ruthless in bullying going so far as to show one of them watch on and let a rape continue.

Alan Clarke established his notoriety with this TV Movie and he continued to provoke the audience with his further films. Clarke is a bona fide realist in my mind he portrays individuals who are thrown into extraordinary circumstances and he his never afraid to pull a punch to create the genuine feeling of realism in his films. Only Ken Loach and scotch director John Mac Kenzie have this effect. But Alan Clarke is in my favourite I have yet to see a film of his that does not effect me.

The only problem I had with it was that it was not cast as well as the film version which has quality performances from non-actors. But all in all a bloody good show.

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9 out of 14 people found the following review useful:

I Thought The Film Version Was Better

Author: Theo Robertson from Isle Of Bute, Scotland
22 August 2004

I'll try not to comment on the controversy of this television drama . Everyone knows it was banned by the BBC prior to being shown on its PLAY FOR TODAY slot in 1977 and it wasn't until the early 1990s that the BBC relented by showing it with little fanfare .

Over all I thought the film version was better . Structure wise Roy Minton's script is more or less the same as the movie version with one added strand here where Carling is allowed to have a " wife " , in reality one of the younger prisoners , as a perk for being a daddy , a story strand that doesn't really work in my opinion . Director Alan Clarke would later re-employ nearly the entire cast for the movie version with the exception of Archer , and I couldn't thinking while watching the movie that Archer was written as a type of hippy . Here David Throfall plays Archer as .... A hippy . I don't want to criticise Mick Ford's performance in the movie but here we see the role played as it was written and is the superior version , but this is the only aspect where the original teleplay out scores the movie

I think because the movie version can get away with so much more than a television drama ( At least one made in the 1970s ) this version isn't so gritty and compelling . The film includes extreme language in every scene which adds to the realism and as has been mentioned the infamous rape scene isn't as shocking and depressing as the one in the movie version so compared to the 1979 cinema release the original television drama might be something of a disappointment leading the viewer to ask what was the controversy about in the first place ?

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7 out of 11 people found the following review useful:

good but the theatrical movie is better

Author: movieman_kev from United States
11 June 2005

Carlin (Ray Winstone of "Nil by mouth" and "Sexy Beast") is a young criminal who after assaulting a police officer gets sent to a borstal (juvinial prison), with two other youth offenders, where they find life inside hell with the authoritarian system brutal and the criminal inmate hierarchy equally, if not more so. They must find a way to survive. Carlin is able to climb the hierarchy, the other two are not really that 'lucky' This TV movie was shelved by the BBC1 for 14 years before before being shown on Channel 4 exactly once, and then only in honor of a deceased Alan Clarke. Gritty, and depressing if a slight bit overly sensationalized. Still it's interesting to watch even if the feature film version IS better. In response to the shelving of the film Clarke and writer Minton remade it as a theatrical film in two years later in 1979. This movie can be found in Blue Undergrounds Alan Clarke Collection.

My Grade: B-

DVD Extras: Commetary with actors Phil Daniels & David Threlfall, and Producer Margaret Matheson; 2 Selected scenes commentary by Ray Winstone (one of which wasn't in the film)

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3 out of 5 people found the following review useful:

Introduction of a powerful actor

Author: allan95073 from Scotland, UK
26 April 2001

Alan Clarke's film introduced us to a powerful new talent in Ray Winstone. Undeniably brutal but an allegory on the worship of simple governance by power. This film, coupled with another film, "Made in Great Britain" with Tim Roth was an indictment of the Thatcher type anti-society policies. Ray Winstone builds his part slowly, gathering power and authority during his stay in the institution and is climaxed when he says "who's the daddy now?" It was such a powerful performance that I always wait with anticipation his next outing and have rarely been disappointed.

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5 out of 9 people found the following review useful:

one of the most brutal movies ever made

Author: reversa2 from United Kingdom
21 December 2005

this movie was made after the B.B.C. had problems with the original TV version,which to my mind was just as can't help but root for Carlin as he gets his revenge,the greenhouse scene has to be up there with the likes of certain scenes from 'cannibal holocaust' and 'last house on the left'.Truly harrowing and unforgettable.Ray Winstone is one of my all time favourite actors,as is Phil Daniels.This film stands as a tribute to Alan Clarke (Made In Britain is also another classic).This movie remains as one of the grittiest movies I have ever seen.I saw it for the first time when I was about ten years of age,on a pre-certificate VHS copy round at my dad's mate's house one Saturday night.The film has stayed with me ever since,and now I own my own copy of the film,I hope to show it to my son when he is older(I hope he appreciates it!!!)

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Scum — the dress rehearsal.

Author: BA_Harrison from Hampshire, England
5 June 2015

Scum (1977) was originally produced as part of the BBC's Play for Today series, but the result, shot in a gritty docu-drama style, was considered too harrowing for broadcast and was effectively banned. Two years later, director Alan Clarke remade his play as a film, which became one of the most talked about movies in British school playgrounds during the early 80s thanks to its unrelenting violence, racist language, and a particularly notorious rape scene.

So, how do the two versions compare? Well, barring one or two minor scenes, the original TV play and the 1979 film are almost identical to each other in terms of basic content and structure, with much of the same dialogue, many of the same cast members, and Clarke using the same set-ups and angles for his shots. However, the two versions do differ from each other in terms of performances: although the cast are more than adequate in the TV version, the play feels a bit like a dress rehearsal when compared with the movie, the cast seemingly still working out how best to tackle their roles. Two years down the line, and everybody absolutely nails it, but here there are one or two performances that fall a little flat.

That said, the play is still a fine piece of work, a powerful and highly controversial drama—one that, to this day, I find it hard to believe the BBC even contemplated showing in 1977.

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2 out of 26 people found the following review useful:

Bullying and sadism at British reform school

Author: mdm-11 from United States
27 May 2005

This film was to show the horrors of a typical British Reform School, complete with regular beatings, humiliations, and even a rape scene. Sadistic staff and a team of violent and intimidating "daddys" terrorize the weak and timid members of the roughly 100 detainees. Racism and hypocrisy are in full gear. This is the Jr. Version of "Glass House", only even more graphic.

This film is very difficult to watch and was actually banned by the BBC to ever be broadcast due to the extreme violence and shocking situations. Although I watched to the end, I just don't quite see the value (especuially for entertainment) in this fictional nightmare. Perhaps as a "Scared Straight" project it could deter at-risk children from a life of crime. Otherwise any slasher movie will do less emotional damage to an impressionable mind. I do not recommend this film

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