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S.E. Hinton (novel)
Emilio Estevez (screenplay)
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Release Date:
8 November 1985 (USA) See more »
From the Author of "The Outsiders" and "Rumble Fish" See more »
Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless. Full summary » | Add synopsis »
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The most mediocre of the S.E. Hinton-based adaptations. (spoilers) See more (29 total) »


  (in credits order) (verified as complete)

Emilio Estevez ... Mark Jennings

Craig Sheffer ... Bryon Douglas

Larry B. Scott ... Terry Jones
Matthew Dudley ... Curly Shepard

Jill Schoelen ... Angela Shepard

Kim Delaney ... Cathy Carlson

Barbara Babcock ... Mrs. Douglas
Frank Howard ... M & M Carlson

Morgan Freeman ... Charlie Woods

Francis X. McCarthy ... Mr. Carlson (as Frank McCarthy)
Diane Dorsey ... Mrs. Carlson

Ramon Estevez ... Mike Chambers (as Ramon Sheen)
David Miller ... Punk
Steven Pringle ... Dirty Dave
Robert Swan ... Smitty (as Bob Swan)
John O'Brien ... Snob

Paul M. Lane ... Paul (as Paul Lane)
Brooks Gardner ... Tim Shepard
Sharon Thomas Cain ... Doctor (as Sharon Thomas)
Tom Walsh ... Police Officer
rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Noel Morgan ... Shepard Brother (uncredited)
Tony Shuster ... Man Outside Bookstore (uncredited)
Brian Young ... Man on Bus (uncredited)

Directed by
Christopher Cain 
Writing credits
S.E. Hinton (novel)

Emilio Estevez (screenplay)

Produced by
Alan Belkin .... executive producer
Jim Geib .... associate producer
Gary R. Lindberg .... producer
John M. Ondov .... producer
Brandon K. Phillips .... executive producer
Martin M. Weiss .... associate producer
Original Music by
Bill Cuomo 
Keith Olsen 
Cinematography by
Juan Ruiz Anchía  (as Juan Ruiz Anchia)
Film Editing by
Ken Johnson 
Casting by
Penny Perry 
Art Direction by
Chester Kaczenski 
Set Decoration by
Victoria L. Hinton 
Costume Design by
Ann Wallace 
Makeup Department
Terra Andrews .... hair stylist
Terra Andrews .... makeup artist
Darcy Knight .... hair stylist
Darcy Knight .... makeup artist
Production Management
Scott M. Rosenfelt .... unit production manager
Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Michael Kennedy .... second assistant director
Robert J. Koster .... first assistant director (as Robert Koster)
Art Department
Clare M.S. Fishman .... property master
Bill Gregg .... assistant property master
Steve Korte .... assistant set decorator
Douglas H. Leonard .... assistant art director
Timothy J. Stark .... assistant set decorator
Sound Department
C.J. Appel .... dialogue editor
Sandina Bailo-Lape .... dialogue editor (as Sandina Bailo)
Mark Berger .... supervising re-recording mixer
Jay Boekelheide .... supervising sound editor
Karen Brocco .... assistant dialogue editor
Gloria D'Alessandro .... assistant dialogue editor
George Douglas .... stereo sound consultant: Dolby
Eugene Finley .... supervising sound editor
Vivien Hillgrove Gilliam .... dialogue editor (as Vivien Hillgrove-Gilliam)
Phillip Kos .... apprentice dialogue editor (as Philip Kos)
Drew Kunin .... production sound
Michael Minkler .... sound re-recording mixer
David Parker .... sound effects recordist
Matthew Quast .... production sound
Karen Spangenberg .... dialogue editor
Stephen Sutter .... sound effects editor
Stephen Sutter .... sound re-recording mixer
Philip Rogers .... sound recordist (uncredited)
Everett Creach .... stunts
Vicki Creach .... stunts
Eddie Hice .... stunts
Wayne King .... stunts
Paul M. Lane .... stunts (as Paul Lane)
Shawn Patrick Lane .... stunts (as Shawn Lane)
William T. Lane .... stunt coordinator (as Bill Lane)
Shawn Patrick Lane .... assistant stunt coordinator (uncredited)
Camera and Electrical Department
Jamie Anderson .... assistant camera (as Jim Anderson)
Scott Buttfield .... gaffer
Tom Countryman .... camera car operator
Tom Countryman .... crane operator
Milo Durben .... grip (as Milo R. Durben)
Dennis A. Frank .... best boy electric
Dooley Grove .... dolly grip
Mike Gulenchyn .... electrician (as Michael Gulenchyn)
Craig Hanson .... electrician
Victor Korte .... key grip
Arthur Krauss .... first assistant camera
Bruce Manning .... best boy grip
Fredric Petters .... still photographer
Jerry Pope .... second assistant camera
Timothy M. Ryan .... grip
J.R. Thompson .... assistant camera
Lisa Van Dyke .... electrician
Bill Zuehlke .... assistant camera
Casting Department
Sharon Selberg .... extras casting
Costume and Wardrobe Department
Lynn Arlt .... wardrobe assistant
Rozi Graham .... wardrobe supervisor
Corrine E. Zala .... wardrobe supervisor
Editorial Department
Vivian Hengsteler .... negative cutter
Mark Lowrie .... associate editor
Carolyn Olman .... post-production assistant
Location Management
David Dancyger .... location manager
Kristin Overn .... location manager
Music Department
Ken Johnson .... music editor
Greg Fulginiti .... music engineer (uncredited)
Transportation Department
Dave Anderson .... driver
Robert Benjamin .... transportation coordinator
Michael Cain .... driver: Filmtrucks (as Michael E. Cain)
Danielle Fredrickson .... transportation captain
Jack Hager .... driver
Lee Stanford .... picture car wrangler
Other crew
Penny V. Bader .... production coordinator
Paul Bednarek .... production assistant
Jeffrey Blumenshine .... production assistant
Steven Bratter .... assistant to producers (as Steven J. Bratter)
Carlton Calvin .... craft service
Maxine Davis .... production office consultant (as Maxine W. Davis)
Kay DiMarco .... production assistant
Lucette Dussaud .... secretary: Mr. Cain
Dulanie M. Ellis .... script supervisor
Robert C. Ewald Jr. .... production assistant (as Robert Ewald Jr.)
Tom Ferris .... production assistant
Ginger B. Hart .... secretary: Mr. Belkin
Ron Hays .... video effects
Nancy Jensen-Young .... production secretary
Gary M. Johnson .... production legal services
Marc E. Kramer .... production accountant
Mark Levinson .... production executive
Debbie May .... production assistant
David Moe .... production assistant
Jennifer A. Mraz .... craft service
Joseph D. Peckerman .... production legal services
Jackson Sousa .... fitness trainer
Arthur Spivak .... special consultant
Curtis Squire .... angel
M.L. Tanner .... assistant: Ms. Perry
Erik Torjesen .... craft service
Crew believed to be complete

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102 min
Color (TVC)
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Did You Know?

The movie "That Was Then...This is Now" takes place in Minneapolis & Saint Paul, Minnesota. The S.E. Hinton novel is set in Tulsa, Oklahoma.See more »
Revealing mistakes: In just about every scene where a bus is involved, it's bus #461.See more »
Charlie Woods:[Mark is playing pool alone] What are you doing?
Mark Jennings:Playing with myself.
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Movie Connections:
References "The Gumby Show" (1956)See more »
Eight Ball Side PocketSee more »


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6 out of 9 people found the following review useful.
The most mediocre of the S.E. Hinton-based adaptations. (spoilers), 12 December 2004
Author: Pepper Anne from Orlando, Florida

I always loved S.E. Hinton's novels as a kid: The Outsiders, Rumble Fish (which in my opinion, is the greatest film adaptation in the series despite everyone's fascination with The Outsiders), Tex, and That Was Then This is Now.

'That Was Then, This is Now' was the last film adaptation (although the TV series for 'The Outsiders' follows five years later after the release of this movie). I would've attribute the mediocrity of the movie, or at least the inability to really put forth all that the novel did, was because it was not directed by Francis Ford Coppola (who directs 'The Outsiders,' and does a fabulous job with 'Rumble Fish'), except 'Tex,' which was a pretty good movie, was likewise not directed by Coppola.

I think it is in part the chemistry among the characters. The whole mood looks like something out of a music video, with Craig Scheffer coming off more like a guy who broke off a long relationship with a girlfriend rather than dealing with a rambunctious brother (in addition to other things). Plus, as another viewer already mentioned, they shifted the focus on characters so that superstar Emilio Esteves becomes the center of attention. Most of S.E. Hinton's novel always portrayed a struggle from the brother who is looking out at things that, by his perception, have become (or always were) seriously out of control. (See 'Tex' and 'Rumble Fish'). And yes, they unfortunately acquiesced to the Hollywood happy ending, and in the sappiest way, despite all of the problems that the characters endure.

Unlike previous adaptations of Hinton's novels, even those not directed by Coppola, they really fail to portray the struggles that the characters realize in the book. And, lack of developing the story on this point really makes you only half appreciate the characters and their conflicts (and in this case, not even their resolution).

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