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S.E. Hinton (novel)
Emilio Estevez (screenplay)
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Release Date:
8 November 1985 (USA) See more »
From the Author of "The Outsiders" and "Rumble Fish"
Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless. Full summary » | Add synopsis »
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Decent film on it's own, but not as good as the book. See more (28 total) »


  (in credits order) (verified as complete)

Emilio Estevez ... Mark Jennings

Craig Sheffer ... Bryon Douglas

Larry B. Scott ... Terry Jones
Matthew Dudley ... Curly Shepard

Jill Schoelen ... Angela Shepard

Kim Delaney ... Cathy Carlson

Barbara Babcock ... Mrs. Douglas
Frank Howard ... M & M Carlson

Morgan Freeman ... Charlie Woods

Francis X. McCarthy ... Mr. Carlson (as Frank McCarthy)
Diane Dorsey ... Mrs. Carlson

Ramon Estevez ... Mike Chambers (as Ramon Sheen)
David Miller ... Punk
Steven Pringle ... Dirty Dave
Robert Swan ... Smitty (as Bob Swan)
John O'Brien ... Snob

Paul M. Lane ... Paul (as Paul Lane)
Brooks Gardner ... Tim Shepard
Sharon Thomas Cain ... Doctor (as Sharon Thomas)
Tom Walsh ... Police Officer
rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Tony Shuster ... Man outside bookstore (uncredited)
Brian Young ... Man on bus (uncredited)

Directed by
Christopher Cain 
Writing credits
S.E. Hinton (novel)

Emilio Estevez (screenplay)

Produced by
Alan Belkin .... executive producer
Jim Geib .... associate producer
Gary R. Lindberg .... producer
John M. Ondov .... producer
Brandon K. Phillips .... executive producer
Martin M. Weiss .... associate producer
Original Music by
Bill Cuomo 
Keith Olsen 
Cinematography by
Juan Ruiz Anchía  (as Juan Ruiz Anchia)
Film Editing by
Ken Johnson 
Casting by
Penny Perry 
Art Direction by
Chester Kaczenski 
Set Decoration by
Victoria L. Hinton 
Costume Design by
Ann Wallace 
Makeup Department
Terra Andrews .... hair stylist
Terra Andrews .... makeup artist
Darcy Knight .... hair stylist
Darcy Knight .... makeup artist
Production Management
Scott M. Rosenfelt .... unit production manager
Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Michael Kennedy .... second assistant director
Robert J. Koster .... first assistant director (as Robert Koster)
Art Department
Clare M.S. Fishman .... property master
Bill Gregg .... assistant property master
Steve Korte .... assistant set decorator
Douglas H. Leonard .... assistant art director
Timothy J. Stark .... assistant set decorator
Sound Department
C.J. Appel .... dialogue editor
Sandina Bailo-Lape .... dialogue editor (as Sandina Bailo)
Mark Berger .... supervising re-recording mixer
Jay Boekelheide .... supervising sound editor
Karen Brocco .... assistant dialogue editor
Gloria D'Alessandro .... assistant dialogue editor
George Douglas .... stereo sound consultant: Dolby
Eugene Finley .... supervising sound editor
Vivien Hillgrove Gilliam .... dialogue editor (as Vivien Hillgrove-Gilliam)
Phillip Kos .... apprentice dialogue editor (as Philip Kos)
Drew Kunin .... production sound
Michael Minkler .... sound re-recording mixer
David Parker .... sound effects recordist
Matthew Quast .... production sound
Karen Spangenberg .... dialogue editor
Stephen Sutter .... sound effects editor
Stephen Sutter .... sound re-recording mixer
Philip Rogers .... sound recordist (uncredited)
Everett Creach .... stunts
Vicki Creach .... stunts
Eddie Hice .... stunts
Wayne King .... stunts
Paul M. Lane .... stunts (as Paul Lane)
Shawn Lane .... stunts
William T. Lane .... stunt coordinator (as Bill Lane)
Shawn Lane .... assistant stunt coordinator (uncredited)
Camera and Electrical Department
Jamie Anderson .... assistant camera (as Jim Anderson)
Scott Buttfield .... gaffer
Tom Countryman .... camera car operator
Tom Countryman .... crane operator
Milo Durben .... grip (as Milo R. Durben)
Dennis A. Frank .... best boy electric
Dooley Grove .... dolly grip
Mike Gulenchyn .... electrician (as Michael Gulenchyn)
Craig Hanson .... electrician
Victor Korte .... key grip
Arthur Krauss .... first assistant camera
Bruce Manning .... best boy grip
Fredric Petters .... still photographer
Jerry Pope .... second assistant camera
Timothy M. Ryan .... grip
J.R. Thompson .... assistant camera
Lisa Van Dyke .... electrician
Bill Zuehlke .... assistant camera
Casting Department
Sharon Selberg .... extras casting
Costume and Wardrobe Department
Lynn Arlt .... wardrobe assistant
Rozi Graham .... wardrobe supervisor
Corrine E. Zala .... wardrobe supervisor
Editorial Department
Vivian Hengsteler .... negative cutter
Mark Lowrie .... associate editor
Carolyn Olman .... post-production assistant
Music Department
Ken Johnson .... music editor
Greg Fulginiti .... music engineer (uncredited)
Transportation Department
Dave Anderson .... driver
Robert Benjamin .... transportation coordinator
Michael Cain .... driver: Filmtrucks (as Michael E. Cain)
Danielle Fredrickson .... transportation captain
Jack Hager .... driver
Lee Stanford .... picture car wrangler
Other crew
Penny V. Bader .... production coordinator
Paul Bednarek .... production assistant
Jeffrey Blumenshine .... production assistant
Steven Bratter .... assistant to producers (as Steven J. Bratter)
Carlton Calvin .... craft service
David Dancyger .... location manager
Maxine Davis .... production office consultant (as Maxine W. Davis)
Kay DiMarco .... production assistant
Lucette Dussaud .... secretary: Mr. Cain
Dulanie M. Ellis .... script supervisor
Robert C. Ewald Jr. .... production assistant (as Robert Ewald Jr.)
Tom Ferris .... production assistant
Ginger B. Hart .... secretary: Mr. Belkin
Ron Hays .... video effects
Nancy Jensen-Young .... production secretary
Gary M. Johnson .... production legal services
Marc E. Kramer .... production accountant
Mark Levinson .... production executive
Debbie May .... production assistant
David Moe .... production assistant
Jennifer A. Mraz .... craft service
Kristin Overn .... location manager
Joseph D. Peckerman .... production legal services
Jackson Sousa .... fitness trainer
Arthur Spivak .... special consultant
Curtis Squire .... angel
M.L. Tanner .... assistant: Ms. Perry
Erik Torjesen .... craft service
Crew believed to be complete

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102 min
Color (TVC)
Aspect Ratio:
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Did You Know?

According to her website, this is the only film adaption of her book that author S.E. Hinton was not directly involved in.See more »
Revealing mistakes: In just about every scene where a bus is involved, it's bus #461.See more »
Mark Jennings:Hey Mrs. Douglas, I think I finally know what I want to be when I grow up.
Mrs. Douglas:[leans forward, interested] Oh? And what's that?
Mark Jennings:Rich.
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Movie Connections:
References Tex (1982)See more »
Running For Your LifeSee more »


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Decent film on it's own, but not as good as the book., 1 June 2012
Author: jcbutthead86 from United States

That Was Then...This Is Now is decent 80s Teen film and although it is filled with good direction and great performances it is still the weakest S.E Hinton film adaptation but still has good things about it.

Based on S.E Hinton's novel,That Was Then...This Is Now tells the story of Bryon(Craig Sheiffer)and Mark(Emilo Estevez)two teens that have been best friends since childhood almost like brothers,stealing cars,getting Into fights with rivals,and living carefree, but when Bryon starts dating a girl from their childhood named Cathy(Kim Delaney),a tragic event that changes their lives and their teenage years fading away they both realize that That Was Then...This Is Now.

S.E Hinton is one of my favorite authors and I had seen the film adaptations The Outsiders,Rumble Fish and Tex and loved them and also read her books and loved them as well. That Was Then...This Is Now was a great book that I loved but was the only film adaptation I hadn't seen. I finally saw this film and while the film is not as good as the book there is still some good and decent things about the film. The movie That Was Then...This Is Now is easily the weakest of the S.E Hinton film adaptations and they're things that work and don't work. One of the things that works is the main characters,realistic feel and atmosphere. Bryon and Mark's relationship in the film authentic and real and you feel like they could be real brothers,especially since they're living in a harsh setting and you feel like Bryon and Mark would have each other's back no matter what. When things start to fall apart for Bryon and Mark and the characters start arguing and fighting with each other and Bryon and Mark's friendship and since of brotherhood starts to become strained and it's very believable and at times sad. The film depicts a dark and dangerous teenage world where things such as gang violence,fighting,drug use and drinking seems to always be the norm for Bryon and Mark as well as other characters who going by the laws of the streets and the film's atmosphere is sometimes very bleak and downbeat. The film also has a dark,gritty film-noir feel to it that you didn't see a lot in Teen Films at the time with great harsh lighting and photography and that's one of the things that I like about the film is that the photography gives the film a since of darkness and reality. Although the movie is well filmed and has great lighting it lacks the great and powerful cinematic feel that the other S.E Hinton movie adaptations The Outsiders,Rumble Fish and Tex had. The screenplay written by Estevez while good lacks the emotional punch that Hinton's novel had and the screenplay feels limited. Where In Hinton's novel we got to know more about the characters and there was more scenes with the characters,in the film we know the characters but there Isn't enough time in the film for development for the characters and the friendship between Bryon and Mark feels underdeveloped and small in the film compared to the book. I don't understand why the location and time period were changed from Oklahoma to Minnesota from 60's to 80's. I guess one of the main reasons the time period was changed was because of budget costs,but the location and time period change killed some of the important elements in the book and I guess Paramount Pictures and the filmmakers wanted something that teens in the 80s could relate to. And speaking of changes the biggest change and difference from the book is the movie's ending which destroy's the greatness of the novel's ending and it rings completely false. Where's the novel's ending was more powerful and sad the movie's is predictable and didn't belong in this film. Maybe because the novel's ending was very sad and truly pessimistic the ending had to change because in the 1980s optimistic endings were more accepted and sad endings such as the sad ending in the book weren't allowed during the 1980s. It's not Emilio Estevez's fault though blame Paramount Studios who told Estevez to change the ending in his screenplay.

The cast does a good job in their roles. Emilio Estevez(who also wrote the screenplay)does a excellent job as Mark,bringing humor,anger and sadness to the role. Craig Sheiffer does a fantastic job as Bryon and has an good chemistry with Estevez. Morgan Freeman does a great job as Charlie the bartender the only grown up friend of Bryon and Mark. Kim Delaney does a wonderful job as Cathy,Bryon's girlfriend. Jill Schoelen gives a fabulous performance as Angela,Bryon's ex-girlfriend. Barbara Babcock is wonderful as Bryon's mom. Frank Howard does a great job as M&M,Cathy's spaced-out brother. Larry B. Scott gives a funny and memorable performance as Bryon and Mark's friend Terry.

Christopher Cain does a fine job directing the film,bringing lots of energy and atmosphere to the film and always moving the camera.

The score by Bill Cuomo and Keith Olsen is good and adds to the film's tone and feel. I also like songs Just Another Day(Oingo Boingo)and the title song That Was Then...This Is Now(Randy Wayne and Carroll Sue Hill).

Overall That Was Then...This Is Now is a decent film on It's own with fine acting from the cast and good direction,but as an adaptation of the novel it's lacks what made the book so great. Recommended 7.5/10.

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