That Was Then... This Is Now (1985)

R  |   |  Crime, Drama  |  8 November 1985 (USA)
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Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless.



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Cast overview, first billed only:
Bryon Douglas
Terry Jones
Matthew Dudley ...
Curly Shepard
Angela Shepard
Mrs. Douglas
Frank Howard ...
M & M Carlson
Charlie Woods
Mr. Carlson (as Frank McCarthy)
Diane Dorsey ...
Mrs. Carlson
Mike Chambers (as Ramon Sheen)
David Miller ...
Steven Pringle ...
Dirty Dave
Robert Swan ...
Smitty (as Bob Swan)


A delinquent teenager's only link to society is the attachment he feels towards an older brother-figure. When the older boy starts spending time with a new girlfriend, the teenager begins to feel even more alienated, and gets involved with drugs and the police. Written by Cynan Rees <>

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From the Author of "The Outsiders" and "Rumble Fish"


Crime | Drama


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8 November 1985 (USA)  »

Also Known As:

A Força da Inocência  »

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According to her website, this is the only film adaption of her book that author S.E. Hinton was not directly involved in. See more »


In just about every scene where a bus is involved, it's bus #461. See more »


Mark Jennings: Hey Mrs. Douglas, I think I finally know what I want to be when I grow up.
Mrs. Douglas: [leans forward, interested] Oh? And what's that?
Mark Jennings: Rich.
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References The Outsiders (1983) See more »


Eight Ball Side Pocket
Performed by Keith Olsen and Bill Cuomo
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Decent flick in-and-of itself, if you're not a fan of The Outsiders...
19 October 1999 | by (United States) – See all my reviews

Only thing wrong with this movie-- the decision to "update" the story to make it contemporary. Some novels lend themselves to that kind of reinterpretation easily, but S.E. Hinton's early works aren't among them. The book, set in the late 60s, was essentially a follow-up to "The Outsiders," picking up a few months after its TV Series left off. The character of Ponyboy was taken out of this film for obvious reasons (why would he still be 16 in 1985?), but other Outsiders (most notably Tim Shepard) remained intact without aging a day-- effectively destroying any continuity it might have had with the film it was undoubtedly cashing in on. As result of this questionable rewrite, the novel's focus on the greaser/soc conflict dying off is completely absent, as are other time period-specific subplots. Perhaps the filmmakers wanted this to stand on its own from Coppola's then-recent "Outsiders" adaptation, but this likely hurt "That Was Then...This Is Now" in more ways than it helped it.

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