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Vern Schillinger (Character)
from "Oz" (1997)

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"Oz: Variety (#5.6)" (2002)
Vern Schillinger: [Robson's gums hurt] Not much of a meal there!
James Robson: Yeah, nothing cold or crunchy
Aryan: Why, you on a diet?
James Robson: Because it hurts Dipshit! Do I look fat to you? GOD DAMN IT, what is that, suddenly Ice Cream, croutons, its like getting your gums raked.
Aryan: There probably recessive, my old man had bad gums
Vern Schillinger: When's the last time you get a cleaning?
James Robson: I don't know, 5 or 6 years, I hate the fucking dentist!
Aryan: Don't fuck around with your gums, my old man didn't deal, his mouth ended up a train wreck!
Vern Schillinger: If I were you, I'd go see Dr. Faraj, you don't wanna be slurping turkey milkshakes at middle age.
James Robson: Faraj, I don't want some Sand Nigger's paws probing my mouth thank you!
Vern Schillinger: They wear gloves now, you know, since AIDS came along
James Robson: Oh
Vern Schillinger: [Looking at Robson's mouth] Jesus, how long has it really been?

Franklin Winthrop: [Guenzel has been transferred to Unit B] Oh, how the mighty hath fallen.
Adam Guenzel: Fuck you, faggot!
Vernon Schillinger: GUENZEL!
Adam Guenzel: Oh, Hi Vern. Your buddies from Em City all send regards.
Vernon Schillinger: Shut up!
Adam Guenzel: But I was...
Vernon Schillinger: [bitch-slaps Guenzel] Speak when you're spoken to!
[the other Aryans drag Guenzel into a storage room]
Franklin Winthrop: [blocking Schillinger's path] Sir. May I watch?
Vernon Schillinger: If you don't watch, how will you ever learn? After you.

Tobias Beecher: You creep into my heart, and make my heart BURN!
Vern Schillinger: You sneak into my mind, and make my head ACHE!
Tobias Beecher, Vern Schillinger: Look it's time to face the music.
Vern Schillinger: BYE bye!
Tobias Beecher: Don't slam the door.
Tobias Beecher, Vern Schillinger: This is the last duet. Last chance you're gon-na get. No more h-har-mony for you and me. This is the LAST DUET!
Tobias Beecher: I'll ever do with.
Vern Schillinger: Never do with.
Tobias Beecher, Vern Schillinger: Never never never never never do with YOOOOOUUU!

"Oz: U.S. Male (#3.5)" (1999)
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: [about Schillinger's son, Andy] I haven't fucked him. At least not yet. You see, because I was there for him. You know. Holding him, comforting him. I think he's getting a little bit of a crush on me. And I have been tempted to, you know, deep-tongue him a couple of times. But I knew it'd make you mad so I haven't. Even though, he wants me to stick my dick up his ass. And I'm afraid one of these nights, he and I alone, in our pod, well. I may not be able to control myself.
Vernon Schillinger: You'll be dead before you get the chance!
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: [as Schillinger walks away] Well, you better hurry. Because Keller's getting horny. And I heard O'Reily's been talking about a three-way with Cyril and Andy.

Vernon Schillinger: [about Beecher, Keller and O'Reily] Those are *not* the sort of people you should be hanging around with!
Andrew Schillinger: As compared to *whom*? Those fine, upstanding individuals who make up *your* merry little band?

Vernon Schillinger: [alternating between him in his cell and Andrew in the hole] A man does everything he can for his kids. Comforts them, loves them. Sacrifices everything for their happiness. But when your own flesh and blood renounces you, you have no choice but to renounce them. My son, Andrew, is dead to me. My son is dead.
[cut to Andrew dead in the hole from a heroin overdose]

"Saturday Night Live: Jerry Seinfeld/David Bowie (#25.1)" (1999)
Vern Schillinger: [Schillinger forms a huddle with some of the other inmates as Beecher descends the stairs in the background] Listen up. Beecher's going down. In the shower, I'm gonna cut off his sack and stuff it in his mouth.
Jerry Seinfeld: [Seinfeld suddenly pokes his head into the crowd] Hey, fellas. I noticed there's no cardio equipment in the gym. Is there another room somewhere?
Vern Schillinger: Who are you?
Jerry Seinfeld: Jerry Seinfeld. Pleasure to meet you!
Vern Schillinger: You a Hebrew?
Jerry Seinfeld: Yeah. But people don't seem to have a problem with it on a national level!

Jerry Seinfeld: You think you can hold out longer than me?
Ryan O'Reily: I know I can hold out longer than you.
Vern Schillinger: Care to make it interesting?
Ryan O'Reily: A carton of smokes?
Augustus Hill: I want in, too.
Jerry Seinfeld: You're all on. Whoever goes the longest without committing male rape wins the contest.

Vern Schillinger: [discussing the reception of the "Seinfeld" finale] You should have had Kramer on the stand!
Inmate: Kramer's funny.
Jerry Seinfeld: Maybe I should have married Elaine. You know, the expectations were kinda high.

"Oz: A Town Without Pity (#4.7)" (2000)
[Beecher confronts Schillinger after Hank got away with killing Beecher's son]
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: I'm going to kill you, motherfucker!
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: [after the COs pull them apart] Well, I guess you heard the good news about Hank.
Sister Peter Marie Reimondo: Take him back to Em City!
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: [while being hauled away] COCKSUCKER! You fucking cocksucker! You wait! YOU FUCKING WAIT!
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: [after Beecher is gone] Whew. Got quite a temper on him, doesn't he?

Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Sorry to hear about your girlfriend, O'Reilly.
James Robson: Who's his girlfriend? Adebisi?
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Dr. Nathan. She took a leave of absence. Apparently she almost choked to death when our boy Ryan here came in her mouth.
[O'Reilly attacks Schillinger]

[Zavitz is blackmailing Schillinger for protection from Keller]
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Jeez, I thought the Jews were supposed to be tough?
James Robson: That's just the Israelis.
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: [beat] Kill him!

"Oz: Exeunt Omnes (#6.8)" (2003)
[Schillinger thinks he's going to kill Beecher]
Vernon Schillinger: You're a dead man, sweet pea.
Vernon Schillinger: [Realizes he's been set up by Keller and is going to die himself] That cocksucker.

[Vern's sister visits him for the first time in over 20 years]
Vernon Schillinger: Greta. What I did, shutting you out after your wedding. I had to.
Greta: And I despised you for decades. Now all I can say is shalom. Shalom, Vern.

Vernon Schillinger: Hey, we gotta teach Clarence Seroy a lesson. He's claiming he buttfucked you.
James Robson: He did.
Vernon Schillinger: [stunned, confused] What? Why didn't you say anything? Why didn't you stop him?
James Robson: Retribution. It's all about retribution.
Vernon Schillinger: You let a nigger take you in the ass? You know what this means.
James Robson: I'm out of the Brotherhood?
Vernon Schillinger: Yeah, that's right.
James Robson: I don't care, Vern. I'm moving to F.
Vernon Schillinger: The fag unit?
James Robson: They're not all fags.
James Robson: [Clarence walks by; Robson stops him]
James Robson: Hey, Clarence. I've got some news for you.
Clarence Seroy: Oh, yeah, bitch? What's that?
James Robson: I'm HIV-positive. If I were you, I'd start getting regular check-ups from now on.
Clarence Seroy: And you knew this all along?
James Robson: Yep.
James Robson: [Seroy punches Robson; his nose is bleeding, Robson touches it with his finger] Ooh, blood.
[Schillinger is up against the wall in horror as he looks at the blood; Robson laughs, amused]
James Robson: Jeez, Vern. I've never seen you so scared.
[taunts Schillinger with his bloody fingers and leaves, laughing]

"Oz: A Game of Checkers (#1.8)" (1997)
Tim McManus: You say you've changed. Why should I believe you?
Vern Schillinger: Trust me, McManus, you lose an eye, you get kicked in the balls, you get a face full of shit, you become a different man.

Tobias Beecher: Hello! If you don't mind, I gotta take a shit.
Vern Schillinger: Beecher, listen...
Tobias Beecher: Hey! You know, I'm standing in here thinking about all the good times we had, you and me.
Vern Schillinger: I don't want to fight.
Tobias Beecher: Oh, no. Of course not. You get into a fight, you fuck up your parole. And I hear for the next three months, you're gonna be a good little boy, so you can get outta Oz, see your two sons. You know, I think that's great. But, you know what I'm wondering? What if Vern doesn't get out? What if, as he comes up for parole, he gets into a brawl, a knock-down, drag-out with his old roomie? What if every time he comes up for parole, Vern gets into some ugly incident and has to serve his entire sentence? And his two sons, they become monsters. That's what I'm wondering about. Prag.
[Beecher leaves, singing "I Got It Bad"]

"Oz: Capital P (#1.4)" (1997)
Vernon Schillinger: So the state's gonna let Keane choose which way he's gonna go out. Me, I'd take hanging.
Mark Mack: What about lethal injection?
Vernon Schillinger: That's for pussies.
Donald Groves: They say that lethal injection causes no pain. How do they know? Did someone come back from the dead and say they didn't feel anything?

Vernon Schillinger: [after discovering Beecher trying to defend Keane] Eat it!
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: What?
Vernon Schillinger: [tears out a page from the law book] Eat the page!
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: No.
Vernon Schillinger: [forces the page into his mouth] Don't you fuck with me, prag! You eat that damn page!
[tears another page]
Vernon Schillinger: Here, eat another!

"Oz: Plan B (#1.7)" (1997)
[Beecher confronts Schillinger in the gym]
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: You're gonna die!
Tobias Beecher: Not today!
[Beecher kicks Schillinger in the groin, then bashes his head with a dumbbell, then proceeds to tie him up with a crowd cheering him on]
Ryan O'Reily: Yeah, tie that motherfucking Nazi up!
[Beecher then takes a bench and slams it onto Schillinger's chest, then pulls down his pants]
Tobias Beecher: Hey, motherfucker, you remember THIS!
[proceeds to defecate onto Schillinger's face, the crowd cheers]
Ryan O'Reily: Ah, he SHIT on him!
[Beecher laughs diabolically]
Tobias Beecher: Sieg heil, baby! Sieg fucking heil!

[Schillinger is back from the hospital, with a patch over his damaged eye]
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Look at what that cocksucker did to me! Turned me into Jolly Fucking Roger. Only I'm not feelin' real jolly right now.

"Oz: God's Chillin' (#1.3)" (1997)
Vern Schillinger: So how was church, sweet pea? You feeling all sanctified and pure?
Vern Schillinger: [beat] Get undressed! We're having a shower.
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: I already had a shower.
Vern Schillinger: That's okay. When I get through with you, you'll *need* another one.

[after Beecher contradicted Schillinger on Jesus Christs's true ethnicity]
Vern Schillinger: You're gettin' awful mouthy, prag.
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: No, sir. I'm not.
Vern Schillinger: Yeah, I'm gonna have to teach you a lesson.
[kicks a chair out and extends his legs]
Vern Schillinger: Polish my boots.
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: Yes, sir.
[Beecher spits on a handkerchief and prepares to polish Schillinger's boots]
Vern Schillinger: With your tongue!
[the other Aryans laugh as Beecher proceeds to lick Schillinger's boots]

"Oz: Visits, Conjugal and Otherwise (#1.2)" (1997)
[after Beecher tells him he's arranging a conjugal visit]
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Oh, a cunt-jugal. But you didn't ask my permission.
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: When are you gonna learn, prag? You belong to *me* now! I make *all* your decisions for you.
[Beecher nods]

[after forcing Beecher to ask permission several times]
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: *PLEASE, SIR! MAY I FUCK MY WIFE?*
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Now, when you ask me like *that*. I can't refuse you anything.

"Oz: Out o' Time (#3.8)" (1999)
Vern Schillinger: The niggers are up to something.
Chris Keller: The niggers are always up to something. So are you.

[Schillinger tries to rally the white inmates together in light of recent racial unrest]
Vern Schillinger: I know we've had a lot of shit between us. But we've got to put that aside for now and be united by the one thing that binds us together: The color of our skin.
Nikolai Stanislofsky: [stands up] I am Russian! And I am a Jew! But I am also white. So Schillinger, am I a member of your club?
Vern Schillinger: Yes.
[Beecher walks off in disgust]

"Oz: Good Intentions (#5.7)" (2002)
Vernon Schillinger: Hi, Petey. Nice ass.

James Robson: [James Robson has been implanted a black man's gums, he does not know, except for the Irish and the Homeboys] Just soup!
Arnold 'Poet' Jackson: You sure you dont want no chitlins and gravy go with that
[Ryan O'Reily and Poet laugh uncontrollably]
James Robson: What?
Ryan O'Reily: Shall we?
[Ryan and the Homeboys bang the pots to get everyone's attention]
Ryan O'Reily: Everyone listen up! Robson here went to the dentist and got himself a nice pair of dirty ghetto gums!
[all the inmates laugh, Said smiles, the Aryans look embarrassed and humiliated]
James Robson: Thanks Vern!
Vernon Schillinger: I didn't say a fuckin' word! Shut up, you goddamn nigger just give him some soup!
Arnold 'Poet' Jackson: Whoa! You gonna take that G? Man calling your brother a nigger and all...
[menacing Poet]
Arnold 'Poet' Jackson: Hey, hey! Don't get stupid! Don't want me to Sammy Sosa that jaw with this here spoon!

"Oz: Escape from Oz (#2.8)" (1998)
[after Sippel, a child molester, is moved to Unit B]
Vernon Schillinger: How do you live with yourself?
#88S510 Robert Sippel: How do you?
Vernon Schillinger: Whatever I've done. I've done for righteous reasons. Any laws I've broken don't deserve to *be* laws. But you... you...
[grabs Sippel and throws him against the cell bars]
Vernon Schillinger: [shouts] Fucking *baby raper*! You should be *dead*!
Officer Diane Whittlesey: Back in your cage, Schillinger. Don't make me use this.
[shows her baton]
Officer Diane Whittlesey: You wouldn't want me to enjoy myself, would you?
[Schillinger leaves]
#88S510 Robert Sippel: Thank you, officer.
Officer Diane Whittlesey: [disgusted] Hey. Just doing my job, pal. For once I agree with that Nazi fuck.

Vernon Schillinger: [Keller just broke Beecher's arms, and Schillinger is about to break his legs] My turn now. Sieg Heil, baby! SIEG FUCKING HEIL!

"Oz: To Your Health (#1.6)" (1997)
[Beecher, high on PCP, smashes Schillinger's pod windows]
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: Get out, motherfucker! How's that! I'm sorry, sir! I'm getting out of here!
[Beecher tries to jump off the railing, gets pulled off by the hacks]
Tobias 'Toby' Beecher: How about that! Come on! Fucking BITCH!
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: GET A FUCKING DOCTOR!
Simon Adebisi, Kenny 'Bricks' Wangler: BEECHER BEECHER BEECHER BEECHER...

[Vern is now blind in one eye]
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: I'm gonna kill that motherfucker. That fucking...
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: BEECHER, YOU'RE A DEAD MAN!

"Oz: Visitation (#5.1)" (2002)
[CO tries to intervene after a scuffle in the infirmary]
#97R492 James Robson: You can't punish us. We're *recovering*.
Vern Schillinger: Yeah. Health care's a bitch, isn't it.
[CO leaves unhappily]

"Oz: Famous Last Words (#4.16)" (2001)
[Schillinger blows up because Beecher is coming up for parole]
Sister Pete: [to CO] This session's over!
Officer Tom Robinson: Let's go, Schillinjur.
Vernon Schillinger: [shouts] Schillinger! God DAMN IT! Schillinger! I've been here NINE FUCKING YEARS! You'd think you'd know how to say my goddamn name!

"Oz: Gray Matter (#4.5)" (2000)
#97R492 James Robson: Beecher hasn't been out of his pod in two solid days. He just lies there in his bunk, sobbing like a wuss.
[mocks crying]
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Good. That's the brilliant part of this plan. Physically we don't touch Beecher, but the damage done is far more hideous.

"Oz: Family Bizness (#2.5)" (1998)
Vern Schillinger: The alcohol is the key.
Chris Keller: No, *I* am the key, Beecher loves me.

"Oz: Impotence (#5.8)" (2002)
[the Aryan Brotherhood has exiled James Robson while in the hole for getting a black man's gums implanted into his mouth]
James Robson: [returns to Unit B and approaches Schillinger and a few other Aryans with a smile] Hey!
[all the Aryans but Schillinger literally turn their back on him and walk away, stunning Robson]
James Robson: Jesus. Don't do this to me, Vern. You guys are all I've got in here.
Vernon Schillinger: It's not my choice, James. We've got a charter we gotta follow. You know that charter better than anybody.
James Robson: I asked the fucking dentist; he said put white man's gums in my mouth! White!
Vernon Schillinger: Really? Because that bruise Dr. Faraj planted on your cheek is blue. That tells me you didn't get the answer you were looking for. Tomorrow you're moving to another cell.

"Oz: Works of Mercy (#4.4)" (2000)
[a severed hand coms through the X-ray machine in the mail room]
#97R492 James Robson: Holy Shit. Vern, you'd better come over here.
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: What is it?
#97R492 James Robson: Package for Tobias Beecher.
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Shit. Officer Howell! You'd better get over here!
Officer Claire Howell: What the fuck is that?
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: A child's hand.
[cut to Beecher bawling loudly in his pod]

"Oz: Cuts Like a Knife (#4.12)" (2001)
[Schillinger has just learned that Hank is dead]
#97R492 James Robson: You know, your kid was into a lot of shit. Drug deals and pimping. So there's any number of people who might want him dead.
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Is this you consoling me?
#97R492 James Robson: This is me giving you the cold, hard facts. Your son was murdered. Sonebody's got to pay. I think that someone is Beecher.
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: [shocked] Beecher...
#97R492 James Robson: Remember when you said you were waiting for Beecher to retaliate for Hank killing his kid, but nothing happened. Well, that's because he'd already taken care of it. We're in Oz. There's any number of guys here who could set up that hit.
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: That motherfucking...
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: [beat] I'll kill his daughter. I'll kill his whole FUCKING FAMILY!
[Robson smiles as Schillinger storms out]

"Oz: Animal Farm (#2.7)" (1998)
Ryan O'Reily: So where'd they put you?
Cyril O'Reily: Uh, with them.
[points to Schillinger and the Aryans, who smile and laugh]
Vern Schillinger: Don't worry. We gave him the *royal* welcome.
[Aryans continue to laugh]

"Oz: Laws of Gravity (#5.2)" (2002)
[to Chucky Pancamo]
Vernon Schillinger: Hey you! You fucking dago. You killed my son.

"Oz: See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Smell No Evil (#6.2)" (2003)
James Robson: Vern, you gotta help me.
Vern Schillinger: Keep walking.
James Robson: After all I've done for the Brotherhood, *you owe me*!
Franklin Winthrop: You heard the man, keep walking!
James Robson: Watch your mouth, prag.
[goes for Winthrop but the other Aryans restrain him]
Franklin Winthrop: I'm not a prag anymore, pal! As for watching my *mouth*, YOU'RE the one with the *nigger gums*!
[taps his cheek]
Franklin Winthrop: Bye bye.
[Robson get kicked away by the Aryans]

"Oz: Even the Score (#4.15)" (2001)
[after being beaten severly by Said]
#97R492 James Robson: That spade motherfucker! That cock motherfuck, motherfucking NIGGER!
[cut to Muslims]
Zahir Arif: The Aryans must be punished. We will no longer tolerate their actions! From now on, every single one of us is on point.
[cut to Aryans]
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: So Said's nigger ass is in the hole. It looks like Arif's in charge. These fuckers are more pissed off than ever. I want you guys to watch each other's backs. Carry weapons whenever you can. This shit's coming down and it's coming down hard!

"Oz: Napoleon's Boney Parts (#3.2)" (1999)
[Keller got stabbed multiple times in a storage room]
Vern Schillinger: I guess Mr. Keller's got himself about *three or four* assholes now.
[the other Aryans laugh]

"Oz: 4giveness (#6.5)" (2003)
[in his will, Cutler left everything to Miguel Alvarez]
Vern Schillinger: I'm gonna suggest this now, Alvarez. Or I'll find a way to make it happen later. You sign over all of Cutler's stuff to his widow.
Miguel Alvarez: I already thought about that.
James Robson: Don't think, spic! DO!
Miguel Alvarez: You know, maybe I should just sign all his assets over to *you*, Roby. Seeing as how you already gave him *yo' ass*.
[Miguel walks away]
James Robson: Cunt!

"Oz: The Routine (#1.1)" (1997)
[after Beecher moves into Schillinger's pod]
Vernon Schillinger: You're not a Jew, are you?
Tobias Beecher: Me? Jewish? I don't even like Barbra Streisand.
Vernon Schillinger: You like my tattoos?
Tobias Beecher: Yeah.
Vernon Schillinger: We're gonna have to get you one.
Tobias Beecher: [laughs] I don't think so.
Vernon Schillinger: Oh, yeah, I'm gonna brand you myself.
Tobias Beecher: Livestock gets branded.
Vernon Schillinger: [chuckles] Livestock. Yeah, that's exactly what you are, my livestock. Because now, Tobias. Your ass belongs to me.

"Oz: Unnatural Disasters (#3.4)" (1999)
Officer Joseph Mineo: Congratulations, Vern.
Vern Schillinger: For what?
Officer Joseph Mineo: It's a boy. A bouncing baby boy.
Officer Joseph Mineo: Your son arrived yesterday.
Vern Schillinger: Which unit is he in?
Officer Joseph Mineo: Your favorite. Emerald City.
[Schillinger is horrified]

"Oz: Dream a Little Dream of Me (#5.3)" (2002)
[Peter Schibetta walks into the repair room, and sees Vernon Schillinger, James Robson, and another Aryan]
Peter Schibetta: Hey! You got the toaster done?
Aryan: Hold your Calvins, Bocce boy! I'm in the middle of something!
Peter Schibetta: Yeah well, I got lunch coming so these jokers can wait.
Vernon Schillinger: We don't wait for wops.
Peter Schibetta: Someone's gonna teach you manners Vernon.
Vernon Schillinger: Yeah? Well, it ain't gonna be you prag.
[the Aryans laugh, and Schibetta turns... acting like he's going to leave... but then he pulls out a kitchen knife from the back of his pants, and runs at Schillinger and tries to stab him]
James Robson: OH, LOOK OUT!
[the Aryans stop Schibetta, and punch him in the face several times. Then, Robson and the other Aryan drag him over to the pool table, and hold him down]
Vernon Schillinger: You know, I always wondered... was Adebisi's dick bigger than mine?
[Schillinger puts his hand into a bucket of black grease, then turns and faces Schibetta]
Vernon Schillinger: ...You be the judge.

"Oz: Great Men (#2.3)" (1998)
Warden Leo Glynn: [Glynn and the COs have found an inmate Alexander Vogel in the gymnasium murdered with the word "JEW" carved into his chest] So you don't know anything about Alexander Vogel's murder? If the Aryan Brotherhood's not involved, why was "Jew" carved on his chest?
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Maybe some gang is trying to lay the blame on us. We're not the only ones that hate Jews, you know,
[In a Black Voice]
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: I mean, your people do too.
Warden Leo Glynn: You're involved in this, Schillinger, I know you are.
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: Yeah, well, if that's true, prove it.
Warden Leo Glynn: I will. Take him to his cell.
Vernon 'Vern' Schillinger: [singing] Wish I was in the land of cotton, old times there are not forgotten...

"Oz: Ancient Tribes (#2.2)" (1998)
Vern Schillinger: Godammit, you fucking spic cocksucker!
Miguel Alvarez: See? That's the Schillinger I know and love.