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: Nothing's what I thought it was. John's a bastard. Let's make a videotape. Graham
: No, I... ahem... I don't think that's a good idea. Ann
: Why not? Graham
: Because I don't think it's a choice that you'd make in a normal frame of mind. Ann
: And what would you know about a normal frame of mind?
: So let me see, you said, um, you said that I should never take advice from someone that I haven't had sex with, right... right? Graham
: Basically. Ann
: Right. And, uh, *we* haven't had sex...
: right? Graham
: So... Ann
: So, I, I, I guess from your own advice, I shouldn't take your advice. Graham
: I wouldn't.
: So, all these are... are interviews, huh? Graham
: Uh, yes. Ann
: Can we watch one? Graham
: No, I'd - uh, no. Ann
: Why not? Graham
: Well, I... promised each of the subjects that no one would see the videotapes except for me. Ann
: What are the interviews about? Graham
: The interviews are about sex.
: What kind of "personal project"? Graham
: A personal project like anyone else's personal project. Mine's just a little more... personal, I guess.
: If Ann got freaked out by these, there must be something sexual: are these tapes of you having sex with these girls? Graham
: No, not exactly. Cynthia
: Well, either you are or your aren't; which is it? Graham
: Why don't you let me tape you? Cynthia
: Doing what? Graham
: Talking. Cynthia
: About what? Graham
: About sex... your sexual history, sexual preferences. Cynthia
: What makes you think I'd discuss that with you? Graham
: Nothing. Cynthia
: Hmm. And you just want to ask me questions? Graham
: I just want to ask you questions. Cynthia
: That's all. Graham
: That's all. Cynthia
: Is this how you get off or something? Taping women talking about their sexual experiences? Graham
: I'm sorry? Graham
: No, it's just, I, you know, I just think - right now I have one key and everything I own is in the car, and I just... I like that, you know? I mean, I just, if I get an apartment, that two keys, if I... get a job, you know, I might have to open or close, that's more keys, you know, buy some stuff, I'm afraid it's gonna get ripped off, or something, and I get more keys, and I just, I, you know, I just like having the one key, it's clean. Ann
: You're not gonna worry in losing them, I always lose my keys, I hate that.
: One woman used up only 3 minutes, and another used three 2-hour tapes.
: So, I don't... I don't understand, uh, what made you want to come here. I can't imagine Ann painted a very flattering portrait of me. Cynthia
: Yeah, well, see, um, I don't really listen to Ann when it comes to men. I mean, look at John, for Christ's sake.
: You're right, I've got a lot of problems... But they belong to me. Ann
: You think they're yours, but they're not. Everybody that walks in that door becomes part of your problem. Anybody that comes in contact with you. I didn't want to be part of your problem, but I am. I'm leaving my husband, and maybe I would have anyway, but the fact is, is, I'm doing it now, and part of it's because of you. You've had an effect on my life. Graham
: This isn't supposed to happen. I've spent nine years structuring my life so this didn't happen.
[to Ann, the first time they meet
: Have you ever been on television?
: I remember reading somewhere that men learn to love the person that they're attracted to, and that women become more and more attracted to the person that they love.
: I think it's gonna rain. Graham
] It is raining. Ann
: You know, my therapist... Graham
: You're in therapy? Ann
: Aren't you?
: I want to know why you are the way you are! Graham
: And I'm telling you it's not any one thing that I can point to and say "That's why!" It doesn't work that way with people who have problems, Ann, it's not that neat, it's not hat tidy! It's not a series of little boxes that you can line up and count. Things just don't happen that way.
: [entering Graham's apartment uninvited and unannounced
] I'm Cynthia Bishop Graham
: [looking confused
] Who? Cynthia
] I'm Ann Mullaney's sister Graham
: The extrovert Cynthia
: She musta been in a good mood when she said that; she usually calls me 'loud.' Graham
: She called you that too!
: I was eight years old, and, um, Michael Green, who was also eight, asked if he could watch me take a pee... And I said he could if I could watch him take one, too. So we went to the woods behind my house. And I got this feeling he was chickenin' out cos he kept sayin' "Ladies first!" So I pulled down my little panties and urinated, and he ran away before I even finished. Graham
: Was it a topic of conversation between you after that? Cynthia
: No! He kind of avoided me for the rest of the summer, and then his family moved away... To Cleveland, actually. Graham
: What a shame. When did you finally see a penis?
: Do you have orgasms? Ann
: I don't think so. I mean, I guess, since I'm not sure, that I've never had one.
: What did you think? Graham
: I thought about what you would look like having an orgasm. Ann
: I'd like to know what I look like havin' an orgasm.